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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
24. I accept that social oppression is the major part of your economic oppression
Wed Dec 7, 2016, 03:38 AM
Dec 2016

and have never asked you to stop prioritizing it. It's just that economic justice is also part of it on its own.

It's just that social oppression can't be defeated WITHOUT economic injustice being defeated as well. The post-1965 era has shown that we can't defeat social oppression in complete isolation from everything else. Our existing economic system, at least in the largely unregulated condition it's in now, NEEDS continued bigotry, both grassroots and structural, and is going to do all it can to preserve as many forms of bigotry as possible.

And the social history absolute that countries that become more "free market" and more unequal economically always become more bigoted.

The idea is to augment and help complete your struggle, not to ask you ever to put it aside or to expect that all will be resolved "come the revolution".

We can and must fight hate AND fight greed at the same time-in distinct but connected struggles.

That's all that I've been saying and it's all, as far as I can tell, that the vast majority of economic justice advocates(many of whom-presidential politics aside, where things got distorted and previously unknown divisions were created-are people of color, are women, are LGBTQ, are Latino or Muslim or immigrants and see the fight against social oppression as a natural component of what we stand for, while recognizing it as a struggle in its own right and a distinct set of causes in its own right.

This isn't about the past-it's about unity in the future.

Well said. nt el_bryanto Dec 2016 #1
much of Trump's nastiest treatment, was directed toward the other republicans NRQ891 Dec 2016 #2
The anti-establishment angle is overblown. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #5
the re-election of GOP incumbant, was motivated by 'Hillary-Containment' strategy NRQ891 Dec 2016 #7
Oh, please. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #9
May or may not be 'deeply rightwing,' elleng Dec 2016 #3
Or one could just look at exit polls. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #4
But part of the immigration issue is economic. potone Dec 2016 #11
Nah, I don't think it's that complicated. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #15
Thank you Cosmocat Dec 2016 #29
lol JI7 Dec 2016 #6
I'll give you this. yallerdawg Dec 2016 #8
Not Stein's message(she didn't start any of that) and I never supported her. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #14
Not true and insulting to boot. boston bean Dec 2016 #10
To whom? Ken Burch Dec 2016 #17
The lie itself is an insult. Stats refute your OP..... embarrased to read this BS here. bettyellen Dec 2016 #20
I didn't tell any lies. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #22
Hahahahahahaha Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #12
Those specific people should be condemned. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #13
It was a large group of people. Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #16
Yep. Someone suggested POC would better able to afford the lawyers they needed... bettyellen Dec 2016 #19
People who would say those things are idiots and I join you in denouncing them. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #23
I accept that social oppression is the major part of your economic oppression Ken Burch Dec 2016 #24
How many times do we have to educate you on this? forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #26
I don't even know why I post in his threads. Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #36
And if I had ever argued that we need to put the fight against bigotry to the side, you'd be right Ken Burch Dec 2016 #41
So why are you accusing people of putting economic concerns to the side? forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #42
Because that's the only explanation for all the threads on how economic issues played no role Ken Burch Dec 2016 #48
Economic injustice can't be defeated without defeating social injustice gollygee Dec 2016 #37
I agree with you on that. Always have. Pretty sure the vast majority of the left actually does. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #40
... LexVegas Dec 2016 #39
No it is rooted in reality dsc Dec 2016 #18
Yep Cosmocat Dec 2016 #30
Wow. Much words. betsuni Dec 2016 #21
I didn't say any person was right wing. I said an argument was right wing. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #25
Spreading the falsehood that Hillary prioritized social justice over economics is right-wing. DanTex Dec 2016 #27
Yup La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #44
"The minimum wage is too high" - Donald Trump ProfessorPlum Dec 2016 #28
There is ample proof that those who voted for Trump did not care about the economy. Those Squinch Dec 2016 #31
Who needs the GOP when Democrats and Liberals sabotage their own platform with GOP talking points.. JHan Dec 2016 #32
To my mind, those who spew GOP talking points are not Democrats or Liberals. So there's that. Squinch Dec 2016 #33
I don't get it, this is self-sabotage that only weakens us... JHan Dec 2016 #35
Bingo on all counts. And it isn't unintentional. Squinch Dec 2016 #38
People making that argument still haven't looked at Hillary's policy pages BainsBane Dec 2016 #46
It was a good platform...but in the ads I saw, we didn't talk about it enough. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #50
I think the 'it ISN'T about racism and sexism" argument is, ultimately, a deeply right wing position ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #34
Yup La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #43
Racism and sexism played a role...I never said they played NO role.... Ken Burch Dec 2016 #49
How is the fact that Clinton won voters making under $50k a year BainsBane Dec 2016 #45
That fact, plus exit polls show that those who La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #47
In my life social justice has always been the overriding issue and always will be. hrmjustin Dec 2016 #51
In my life economic issues has always been the overriding issue. azmom Dec 2016 #52
That would be a great argument.... Adrahil Dec 2016 #53
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