2016 Postmortem

basselope

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28. The "grievances" are not stale.

Wed Dec 7, 2016, 12:47 PM

Dec 2016

They are the core to the future of the party.

If the party fails to learn from the mistakes of the past and, for example, allows someone like Iraq war voting Joe Biden to get the nomination in 2020... NOTHING will be gained.

BTW... I work with a TON of people in Europe and have been shocked to learn that they were ROOTING for Trump.

These aren't right wingers out of Europe, but highly progressive people from Netherlands, Spain and Italy (mostly between 20-30).. who UNIVERSALLY despised Clinton and what they felt she represented.

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The rest of the planet doesn't care about your primary-related grudges. [View all] geek tragedy Dec 2016 OP

Thank you. RazBerryBeret Dec 2016 #1

Someone talking sense in an internet comment section? nycbos Dec 2016 #2

A divided party won't win in 2020. Kentonio Dec 2016 #3

Here's an idea--instead of fighting over post-disaster bragging rights geek tragedy Dec 2016 #5

This has nothing to do with bragging rights. Kentonio Dec 2016 #6

Parties don't have souls. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #8

every word of this, thank you. JHan Dec 2016 #9

Saving souls...the souls live in the districts.... BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2016 #29

Won't help in Georgia. 40RatRod Dec 2016 #32

It's a movement coming...slow going as always, but if your reps are a hopeless cause BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2016 #33

The most important thing MFM008 Dec 2016 #15

Think we can do that quakerboy Dec 2016 #66

Much like the Western Democracies and the Soviet Union didn't win WW2... LanternWaste Dec 2016 #23

You must have missed the half century of misery, oppression and occupation that followed.. Kentonio Dec 2016 #35

I agree with the premise of the op, but there's no reason to be optimistic JCanete Dec 2016 #24

Let's hope those who choose to divide the Democratic Party return to the republican party by then. George II Dec 2016 #31

Amen Justice Dec 2016 #4

Agreed Dem2 Dec 2016 #7

Thanks, as it stands the Post-Mortem Group is starting to serve in a slightly divisive manner. TheBlackAdder Dec 2016 #10

AGREED! Thank you! Raster Dec 2016 #11

The rest of the planet, 99.9% of the USA and even a good chunk of folks here at DU Persondem Dec 2016 #12

thank you!!! berksdem Dec 2016 #13

Yep. cwydro Dec 2016 #14

How do we learn from our mistakes if we don't process it? Equinox Moon Dec 2016 #16

APPLAUSE +++++++++++++ (nt) bekkilyn Dec 2016 #17

I have a few friends outside of the USA and they think America needed a big wiff of Trump.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #18

I agree. We need to see and feel it up close and to your point we are lucky that he's an idiot. Dream Girl Dec 2016 #41

This seems like a conversation we've had before on DU. progressoid Dec 2016 #19

K&R CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #20

In the context about what comes next for Democrats - it's still up in the air. ehrnst Dec 2016 #21

yep heaven05 Dec 2016 #22

K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Dec 2016 #25

But someone must be blamed! HassleCat Dec 2016 #26

100 % Yes sammcgee68 Dec 2016 #27

The "grievances" are not stale. basselope Dec 2016 #28

yes, I know some people like that from Facebook. They are lefty anarchists and Greens who hate Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #30

Sorry, I don't see that much of a "threat". basselope Dec 2016 #36

I guess you aren't gay, transgender, Muslim, black or poor? Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #43

Because they have all had it SOOO GOOD the last 8 years, right?!?! basselope Dec 2016 #44

if you think it's not going to get worse in the next 4 years, I just don't know what to tell you Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #46

I think I have to add... TwilightZone Dec 2016 #52

what is PPR'd? Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #57

Sorry... TwilightZone Dec 2016 #60

thanks -- wow Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #67

Hillary inspired almost 2.7 million more voters than Trump pnwmom Dec 2016 #49

You don't see Trump as a threat? TwilightZone Dec 2016 #51

Here is the threat Bettie Dec 2016 #68

people need to learn from their own mistakes and take ownership geek tragedy Dec 2016 #34

The dispute is the CORE of the mistake. basselope Dec 2016 #37

so the only lesson to be learned is that you were right about everything all along? nt geek tragedy Dec 2016 #39

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #42

Clinton got more votes in Florida than Obama did in either 2008 or 2012. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #48

Clinton got more votes than any president in history. Repub. got more votes than any R in history. Sunlei Dec 2016 #69

You know a TON of people who UNIVERSALLY despised Hillary. yardwork Dec 2016 #53

This. The Left has as big a fake news problem as the Right does (I know this from experience) forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #58

The sources may be the same, in fact. yardwork Dec 2016 #59

The "key to victory" in 2020 Cheap_Trick Dec 2016 #38

the party is a diverse coalition of interests, "core values" is a branding concept geek tragedy Dec 2016 #40

Bull. basselope Dec 2016 #45

ask 10 different Democrats what the three core values are of the Democratic geek tragedy Dec 2016 #47

That should be utterly obvious... TwilightZone Dec 2016 #54

Except to the extent they helped Trump, that we are pissed about! Coyotl Dec 2016 #50

Thank you, geek. Cha Dec 2016 #55

Those who do not learn from history, are bound to repeat it. libdem4life Dec 2016 #56

K&R mountain grammy Dec 2016 #61

Spot on. BlueWI Dec 2016 #62

It is unfathomable to me that people are rehashing the primaries AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #63

what's done is done - time to gear up for the next battle NoMoreRepugs Dec 2016 #64

True, Flatpicker Dec 2016 #65

This is sad, but true Madam Mossfern Dec 2016 #70