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JCanete

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7. Historically, by policy, you wouldn't be able to make the case you just did, that Clinton is
Wed Dec 7, 2016, 06:45 PM
Dec 2016

Last edited Wed Dec 7, 2016, 09:01 PM - Edit history (1)

somehow better on equal rights or social justice. Sanders has always been ahead of the times. Aside from universal healthcare, Clinton has usually lagged behind them.

And you have applied things to the poster that the poster just did not say. You take issue with "demographic war", fine. It seems to me the poster meant that as "fights for social justice," and said plainly that we should not abandon them. You then go on to pretend that the opposite was said, or meant.

It is by the way, tasteless to say Bernie's run was a political failure. You wouldn't be fond of it if people said that about Clinton's GE bid. Frankly, I've always bristled at the media's gleeful use of "failed Presidential candidate." It has a clear intention, and that is to make a person less relevant, less competent.

I absolutely disagree with your opinion, that Clinton's policies were more robust than Sander's. Hers were probably more fleshed out. On that, I couldn't give a shit. We need to make people want something so that the insiders actually start delivering it and Clinton just had less actual change to offer. She wanted to work with the people screwing us to unscrew us. That is basically, asking them to throw us a bone from time to time.

But we should be having a conversation about what we want our economic policies and direction to look like, rather than the both of us saying "nah-ah cuz clinton this , Bernie That!" This is continuing to get us nowhere, which is why I objected to the OP's premise.

I agree they are unified in certain ways, and not so much in others. elleng Dec 2016 #1
Not likely ymetca Dec 2016 #2
The most important thing Dems can do now is sit down and figure out what we can win in 2017. Vinca Dec 2016 #3
Yes, of course. I suppose I think that in the meantime, some message refinement may be in order. RadiationTherapy Dec 2016 #11
The fact is they aren't worlds apart in terms of policy BainsBane Dec 2016 #4
Historically, by policy, you wouldn't be able to make the case you just did, that Clinton is JCanete Dec 2016 #7
I think they are worlds apart in terms of class war rhetoric. RadiationTherapy Dec 2016 #10
"Stifling dissent against the platform." LOL. DanTex Dec 2016 #5
It does stifle dissent against the platform. That said, it is for the purpose of a message of JCanete Dec 2016 #8
I also did not object to it; I was just pointing out that it happened and so RadiationTherapy Dec 2016 #9
Nobody got banned for constructive criticism. DanTex Dec 2016 #12
.... LexVegas Dec 2016 #18
But its difficult to really know why things went the way they did. There is only JCanete Dec 2016 #6
It is difficult, but DU has 100k+ users who all have unprecedented access RadiationTherapy Dec 2016 #16
Clinton and Sanders are part of history, not the future. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #13
Agreed. RadiationTherapy Dec 2016 #17
Oh for Gods sake ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #14
My op literally says that I think it is the most important thing for the dem party. RadiationTherapy Dec 2016 #15
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