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2016 Postmortem

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RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 06:47 AM Dec 2016

To just write off white working class folks or ANY group ANYWHERE is STUPID. Here is why: [View all]

Last edited Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:56 PM - Edit history (1)

* In the 60's, so many of these small towns and rural areas were doing SO much better economically than today. Many are now in very dire economic straights, and Trump's message of re-opening factories and attacking bad trade deals definitely resonated. No denying it.

* Obama won MANY of these working class voters that now went for Trump. So MANY do vote primarily on economics. We can't win all white working class voters back, but we can win many back with the right economic arguments and respect of their culture. WE MUST END THE DISCONNECT WITH THESE FOLKS!

* The "either/or" argument is a load of horse shit. We are talking about boosting economic populism and having a strong, compelling, resonating jobs message for EVERYONE, not abandoning social progressivism. And, just because saying you agree with the right of legal and safe gun owners to hunt and target shoot is not abandoning progressive ideals in any way, shape, or form. A bleeding heart liberal can also be an avid hunter.

* We MUST return to our working class roots and stop being the party of corporate-lite!! And we need to be more than a party of liberal social issues. Those issues are important, but people MAINLY vote on ECONOMICS, not social issues. Any survey will tell you that JOBS AND THE ECONOMY is always the number one issue. People want something tangible for their vote.

* If we are to be the "party of the people" that means ALL the people EVERYWHERE, not only certain groups. Yes, we need to embrace all people and value all people, but that sure as heck doesn't mean ABANDONING white working class or ANY voters. Just writing them off is STUPID.

* Writing off working class rural and small town folks is the very kind of thinking which has hollowed us out at the state and local levels and has now led us to being the minority in the national government too.

* Sure we need to go after gerrymandering, but we can't do that without winning state majorities and that means we need a message for small town and rural voters too. We also need to bolster our traditional voting blocks including young people, and we do that with a powerful JOBS message too. We can not just win on identity politics and liberal social issues. We need a strong, compelling, CLEAR, working and middle class economic message too that we put FRONT AND CENTER!!

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Yup.... sfwriter Dec 2016 #1
One of the best post-election opinions posted here so far. Thank you. democrank Dec 2016 #2
no, just ignorant Afromania Dec 2016 #11
I don't think Democrats wrote them off. This comes down to the hostile dynamics of the primary. R B Garr Dec 2016 #3
Yep, all bernies fault. LOL hueymahl Dec 2016 #5
LOL, your snide comment shows you aren't too concerned about a Trump R B Garr Dec 2016 #8
It is like people are literally wearing blinders hueymahl Dec 2016 #10
Yes you are wearing blinders. The numbered posts showed you attacked me. R B Garr Dec 2016 #12
There is lots of blame to go around hueymahl Dec 2016 #15
Okay. Yes, any campaign that doesn't get 100% of the vote can analyze R B Garr Dec 2016 #18
We agree more than we disagree hueymahl Dec 2016 #21
This sounds very doable and reasonable. R B Garr Dec 2016 #24
I agree. How else to go from Obama to Trump? treestar Dec 2016 #7
Yup, Trump being a con man, saw a chance to con them even more R B Garr Dec 2016 #9
Great Analysis. Thanks. hueymahl Dec 2016 #4
Strawman, few are writing them off just not go to coddle them with denigrating minorities ... uponit7771 Dec 2016 #6
exactly. Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #30
I refuse to coddle any Trump supporter or voter. leftofcool Dec 2016 #32
Rural and rust belt working class voters are not interested in our realistic jobs plans. LonePirate Dec 2016 #13
maybe, maybe not sweetapogee Dec 2016 #14
No, they will never shut up about their racist resentment of "urbanites" because facts don't matter Coventina Dec 2016 #16
Baloney, blue states pay red welfare. Except for kids I wish we could stop subsidizing them. bettyellen Dec 2016 #20
well then sweetapogee Dec 2016 #28
Just correcting your nonsense about red states not benefiting from our blue taxes.... bettyellen Dec 2016 #31
not worried sweetapogee Dec 2016 #35
Nobody is writing them off, but as the old saying says you can lead a horse to water . . . Vinca Dec 2016 #17
Exactly! leftofcool Dec 2016 #33
No, people who cared about economics first went for Hillary. Trump won on terrorism and immigration. bettyellen Dec 2016 #19
Misreading the data realmirage Dec 2016 #22
Trumps racism motivated apathetic voters more than any economic message did... bettyellen Dec 2016 #23
That is exactly correct! leftofcool Dec 2016 #34
yup. it was minorities who were attacked in the campaign JI7 Dec 2016 #37
It's so twisted, but the media went out of their way to normalize the hatred and bettyellen Dec 2016 #38
I think you're wrong - look at the NACO county map Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #40
This was links are to a search box. Polls in the rust belt said bettyellen Dec 2016 #42
I don't think so. Perhaps in more prosperous areas, yes, but voter Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #43
So Obama got black voters who never voted before and are not voting again.... bettyellen Dec 2016 #44
Let's just promise shit we cannot deliver n/t taught_me_patience Dec 2016 #25
Everything I'd say if I were as articulate as you :) jack_krass Dec 2016 #26
it mystifies me MFM008 Dec 2016 #27
straw man-- no one is writing them off. But check this out: Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #29
Write off the white working class? Why? Why even say it? jalan48 Dec 2016 #36
I have to agree. These people were a traditional Dem base, and there's no reason Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #39
There's not much evidence that the vote was mostly economic. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #41
K and r Dems to Win Dec 2016 #45
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