2016 Postmortem

Amishman

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13. suppression is an entirely different matter

Thu Dec 8, 2016, 07:08 AM

Dec 2016

Suppression could possibly have had an impact on the outcome, but that is not what is being tossed around. I am looking just at the accusations of fraud with vote totals themselves.

Michigan is an odd case, but I don't think we would like the results of a full hand recount there. They biggest question mark is the feed problems on ballot scanners which might have resulted in ballots being counted more than once. This seems to have happened in blue areas, so the primary potential irregularity in MI may very well have benefited our cause. Personally I am hoping they do not do a full recount as I don't want to give the republicans any ammunition. It would be a disaster if the only significant irregularity out of these recounts worked in Hillary's favor. And I think there is something to find, as some precincts in Oakland county reported freakish voter turnout numbers over 150% (and democrat heavy results).

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I think Hillary really won MI, PA, WI, and FL but the GOP counts the vote [View all] UCmeNdc Dec 2016 OP

I agree. Control-Z Dec 2016 #1

Don't know about... Mike Nelson Dec 2016 #2

Some real changes have to be made in the vote counting procedures. UCmeNdc Dec 2016 #3

I agree with you. Where is the leader uniting all of the anticipated backlash against Hair Twitler? lonestarnot Dec 2016 #4

I agree, strategic election fraud in a number of swing states created this nightmare. diane in sf Dec 2016 #5

Exactly. 2naSalit Dec 2016 #10

Surgically precise rigging required altering about 50,000 votes to make Trump win. Coyotl Dec 2016 #31

Absolutely the case in Florida...and it's been that way since 2000. Sancho Dec 2016 #6

Agree, now what? Dream Girl Dec 2016 #7

I think HRC won other states too. Botany Dec 2016 #8

This was a coup. The hack on DU should have been a big clue. Raster Dec 2016 #53

very true; they hacked this website at will, but there are those here who trust the machines. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #65

No, the election wasn't stolen Amishman Dec 2016 #9

Those are good points though they are not conclusive. Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #11

suppression is an entirely different matter Amishman Dec 2016 #13

interesting, thanks... is Oakland county a blue area? Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #14

Yes n/t MichMary Dec 2016 #18

If even the POSSIBILITY exist then that's bad enough, I don't except the false bar that there uponit7771 Dec 2016 #22

There's also possibility there really is a child sex ring mythology Dec 2016 #28

The governor of Pennsylvania is a Democrat. former9thward Dec 2016 #35

true-- I keep forgetting that! They had a terrible Repub one for a while that stuck in my head Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #37

I was just going to say that. OnionPatch Dec 2016 #47

Stop trying to use facts and logic!!! Lurks Often Dec 2016 #16

.. and ignore Comey, Voter suppression and Russia... 3 DOCUMENTED factors in this election cause uponit7771 Dec 2016 #21

False bar, it doesn't have to be "stolen" just influenced uponit7771 Dec 2016 #20

NOT, tens of thousands of precincts. Votes are not counted at the precincts. Central tabiulators, Coyotl Dec 2016 #23

Votes normally are counted at precincts n/t SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #49

Some counties take uncounted ballots directly from the polling place to a central tabulator. Coyotl Dec 2016 #50

Other than absentee/early voting SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #61

Would have less of a problem with DK504 Dec 2016 #26

They stole the election Abouttime Dec 2016 #30

I disagree that the Republicans stole this election for this reason. ... spin Dec 2016 #58

Yes it is possible..... with computers yes it is possible UCmeNdc Dec 2016 #44

Then how do you explain the exit polls? lapucelle Dec 2016 #52

bad sampling and bad projection Amishman Dec 2016 #55

I'm not imagining a parellel. lapucelle Dec 2016 #57

Thanks for being the adult in the room. EL34x4 Dec 2016 #63

you don't have a clue whether the election results were accurate. nobody does; that's the problem.nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #66

You are assigning magical powers to the GOP BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #12

There is nothing magical about computer programming. Coyotl Dec 2016 #24

Obama won 11 of 12 swing states, all by small margins, in 2012 BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #25

And were the exit polls off by 5-12% in those states? Or the pre-election polls? Blue shifted? Coyotl Dec 2016 #27

Romney's pre-election polls were way off, just like this year's loser BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #29

The exit polls weren't off in 2012, and the assumption lapucelle Dec 2016 #54

Wow...tell Hillary BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #56

I'm too busy telling fiery progressives that rally attendees don't necessarily lapucelle Dec 2016 #59

Lol...you sound familiar BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #60

Voter suppression and election fraud, ever heard of them? brush Dec 2016 #33

Yeah, heard of reality, too BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #34

Apparently you don't remember Rove's meltdown on TV in 2012 when he realized his theft attempt . . . brush Dec 2016 #36

Yes it is possible..... with computers yes it is possible UCmeNdc Dec 2016 #45

If that is the case then we do not need to change our message or candidates RoccoR2 Dec 2016 #15

Never understood why Dems didn't make electoral reform a bigger issue in 2008 Va Lefty Dec 2016 #17

Yes, why fight the recount !??! What do they have to lose uponit7771 Dec 2016 #19

Democrats never make a fuss so the GOP is emboldened to monkey with elections. Vinca Dec 2016 #32

I recall that the SCOTUS stopped the recount in 2000. How is that Gore's fault? politicaljunkie41910 Dec 2016 #40

Gore didn't fight. Dubya did. Vinca Dec 2016 #41

And probably North Carolina as well. triron Dec 2016 #38

Then how come McCrory didn't get in on the deal? BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #39

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #42

I think it's always true that the loser thinks the winner cheated Bob41213 Dec 2016 #43

If we organize I think we can still win this election! Joe941 Dec 2016 #46

PA, and WI have Dem SOS' Tiggeroshii Dec 2016 #48

Something strange happened for sure liberal N proud Dec 2016 #51

I have no doubt she won all of those states. duffyduff Dec 2016 #62

all the more reason to ditch the EC and computer voting; failing that, secede. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #64