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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Van Jones Blames 'Hurricane Trump' on Unexpected Culprit [View all]JHan
(10,173 posts)3. Kudos to Van for reaching out but not everyone agrees with his assessment of "Deplorable"..
I remember the good ole days when Obama got excoriated for being friends with Jeremiah Wight..but I digress
"Hillary Clinton made a claimhalf of Donald Trumps supporters are motivated by some form of bigotry. The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobicyou name it, she said. And unfortunately, there are people like that, and he has lifted them up. Clinton went on to claim that there is another halfpeople disappointed in the government and economy who are desperate for change. The second part of this claim received very little attention, simply because much of media could not make its way past the first half. The resultant uproar challenges the idea that Breitbart lost.
Indeed, what Breitbart understood, what his spiritual heir Donald Trump has banked on, what Hillary Clintons recent pillorying has clarified, is that white grievance, no matter how ill-founded, can never be humiliating nor disqualifying. On the contrary, it is a right to be respected at every level of American society from the beer-hall to the penthouse to the newsroom.
The comment was a self-inflicted wound claimed the Washington Post reporter Dan Balz. It was very close to the dictionary definition of bigoted, asserted John Heilemann. My colleague Ron Fournier and the Posts Aaron Blake were both taken aback by the implicit math of Clintons statement. Clinton appeared to be slapping the racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic label on about 20 percent of the country, wrote Blake in a post whose headline echoed that of the Trump campaign managers website. That's no small thing. Whether or not it was a false thing remained uninvestigated.
The medias criticism of Clintons claim has been matched in vehemence only by their allergy to exploring it. Candidates should not be sociologists, glibly asserted David Brooks on Meet The Press. Im not sure why not, but certainly journalists who broadcast their opinions to the nation should have to evince something more than a superficial curiosity. It is easy enough to look into Clintons claim and verify it or falsify it. The numbers are all around us. And the story need not end there. A curious journalist might ask what those numbers mean, or even push further, and ask what it means that the ranks of the Democratic Party are not totally free of their own deplorables.
Instead what followed was not journalism but, as Jamelle Bouie accurately dubbed it, theater criticism. Fournier and Blakes revulsion at the thought that some 20 percent of the country, in some fashion, fit into that basket is illustrative. Neither made any apparent attempt to investigate the claim. No polling data appears in either piece and no reasons are given for why the estimate is untrue. It simply cant be trueeven if the data says that it actually is.
To understand how truly bizarre this method of opining is, consider the following: Had polling showed that relatively few Trump supporters believe black people are lazy and criminally-inclined, if only a tiny minority of Trump supporters believed that Muslims should be banned from the country, if birtherism carried no real weight among them, would journalists decline to point this out as they excoriated her? Of course not. But the case against Clintons basket of deplorables is a triumph of style over substance, of clamorous white grievance over knowable facts.
This is what Andrew Breitbart, and his progeny, ultimately understood. What Shirley Sherrod did or did not do really didnt matter. White racial grievance enjoys automatic credibility, and even when disproven, it is never disqualifying of its bearers. It is very difficult to imagine, for instance, a 9/11 truther, who happened to be black, becoming even a governor. And yet we live in an era in which the countrys leading birther might well be president. This fact certainly horrifies some of the same journalists who attacked Clinton this weekend. But what they have yet to come to grips with is that Donald Trump is a democratic phenomenon, and that there are actual peoplenot trolls under a bridgewhom he, and his prejudices against Latinos, Muslims, and blacks, represent."
Indeed, what Breitbart understood, what his spiritual heir Donald Trump has banked on, what Hillary Clintons recent pillorying has clarified, is that white grievance, no matter how ill-founded, can never be humiliating nor disqualifying. On the contrary, it is a right to be respected at every level of American society from the beer-hall to the penthouse to the newsroom.
The comment was a self-inflicted wound claimed the Washington Post reporter Dan Balz. It was very close to the dictionary definition of bigoted, asserted John Heilemann. My colleague Ron Fournier and the Posts Aaron Blake were both taken aback by the implicit math of Clintons statement. Clinton appeared to be slapping the racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic label on about 20 percent of the country, wrote Blake in a post whose headline echoed that of the Trump campaign managers website. That's no small thing. Whether or not it was a false thing remained uninvestigated.
The medias criticism of Clintons claim has been matched in vehemence only by their allergy to exploring it. Candidates should not be sociologists, glibly asserted David Brooks on Meet The Press. Im not sure why not, but certainly journalists who broadcast their opinions to the nation should have to evince something more than a superficial curiosity. It is easy enough to look into Clintons claim and verify it or falsify it. The numbers are all around us. And the story need not end there. A curious journalist might ask what those numbers mean, or even push further, and ask what it means that the ranks of the Democratic Party are not totally free of their own deplorables.
Instead what followed was not journalism but, as Jamelle Bouie accurately dubbed it, theater criticism. Fournier and Blakes revulsion at the thought that some 20 percent of the country, in some fashion, fit into that basket is illustrative. Neither made any apparent attempt to investigate the claim. No polling data appears in either piece and no reasons are given for why the estimate is untrue. It simply cant be trueeven if the data says that it actually is.
To understand how truly bizarre this method of opining is, consider the following: Had polling showed that relatively few Trump supporters believe black people are lazy and criminally-inclined, if only a tiny minority of Trump supporters believed that Muslims should be banned from the country, if birtherism carried no real weight among them, would journalists decline to point this out as they excoriated her? Of course not. But the case against Clintons basket of deplorables is a triumph of style over substance, of clamorous white grievance over knowable facts.
This is what Andrew Breitbart, and his progeny, ultimately understood. What Shirley Sherrod did or did not do really didnt matter. White racial grievance enjoys automatic credibility, and even when disproven, it is never disqualifying of its bearers. It is very difficult to imagine, for instance, a 9/11 truther, who happened to be black, becoming even a governor. And yet we live in an era in which the countrys leading birther might well be president. This fact certainly horrifies some of the same journalists who attacked Clinton this weekend. But what they have yet to come to grips with is that Donald Trump is a democratic phenomenon, and that there are actual peoplenot trolls under a bridgewhom he, and his prejudices against Latinos, Muslims, and blacks, represent."
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/they-are-all-breitbart-now/499511/
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SOME of them voted for Obama. It's up to the Left/Liberals to figure out how to manipulate
KittyWampus
Dec 2016
#17
Anyone who thinks it's elitist to stand up for those ideals was never going to be won.
kcr
Dec 2016
#7
Kudos to Van for reaching out but not everyone agrees with his assessment of "Deplorable"..
JHan
Dec 2016
#3
yes, they showed us how not racist they are, by voting for Trump. Brilliant!
Fast Walker 52
Dec 2016
#11
I have confidence that Keith Ellison will be listening to Van Jones and that will help
geek tragedy
Dec 2016
#9
Not here for sure. But i do believe that Van's viewpoint is shared by the majority on the left.
jack_krass
Dec 2016
#16
Those Trump supporters can watch Trump with wealthy donors now - dismantling the US
Justice
Dec 2016
#15
Just one small example of an attitude that I believe is helping Democrats lose
Dems to Win
Dec 2016
#33
One young white man went from Occupy Wall Street to Bernie supporter to considering Trump
Dems to Win
Dec 2016
#36