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JHan

(10,173 posts)
3. Kudos to Van for reaching out but not everyone agrees with his assessment of "Deplorable"..
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 11:22 AM
Dec 2016

I remember the good ole days when Obama got excoriated for being friends with Jeremiah Wight..but I digress

"Hillary Clinton made a claim—half of Donald Trump’s supporters are motivated by some form of bigotry. “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic—you name it,” she said. “And unfortunately, there are people like that, and he has lifted them up.” Clinton went on to claim that there is another half—people disappointed in the government and economy who are desperate for change. The second part of this claim received very little attention, simply because much of media could not make its way past the first half. The resultant uproar challenges the idea that Breitbart lost.

Indeed, what Breitbart understood, what his spiritual heir Donald Trump has banked on, what Hillary Clinton’s recent pillorying has clarified, is that white grievance, no matter how ill-founded, can never be humiliating nor disqualifying. On the contrary, it is a right to be respected at every level of American society from the beer-hall to the penthouse to the newsroom.


The comment was “a self-inflicted wound” claimed the Washington Post reporter Dan Balz. “It was very close to the dictionary definition of bigoted,” asserted John Heilemann. My colleague Ron Fournier and the Post’s Aaron Blake were both taken aback by the implicit math of Clinton’s statement. “Clinton appeared to be slapping the ‘racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic’ label on about 20 percent of the country,” wrote Blake in a post whose headline echoed that of the Trump campaign manager’s website. “That's no small thing.” Whether or not it was a false thing remained uninvestigated.

The media’s criticism of Clinton’s claim has been matched in vehemence only by their allergy to exploring it. “Candidates should not be sociologists,” glibly asserted David Brooks on Meet The Press. I’m not sure why not, but certainly journalists who broadcast their opinions to the nation should have to evince something more than a superficial curiosity. It is easy enough to look into Clinton’s claim and verify it or falsify it. The numbers are all around us. And the story need not end there. A curious journalist might ask what those numbers mean, or even push further, and ask what it means that the ranks of the Democratic Party are not totally free of their own deplorables.

Instead what followed was not journalism but, as Jamelle Bouie accurately dubbed it, “theater criticism.” Fournier and Blake’s revulsion at the thought that some 20 percent of the country, in some fashion, fit into that basket is illustrative. Neither made any apparent attempt to investigate the claim. No polling data appears in either piece and no reasons are given for why the estimate is untrue. It simply can’t be true—even if the data says that it actually is.

To understand how truly bizarre this method of opining is, consider the following: Had polling showed that relatively few Trump supporters believe black people are lazy and criminally-inclined, if only a tiny minority of Trump supporters believed that Muslims should be banned from the country, if birtherism carried no real weight among them, would journalists decline to point this out as they excoriated her? Of course not. But the case against Clinton’s “basket of deplorables” is a triumph of style over substance, of clamorous white grievance over knowable facts.

This is what Andrew Breitbart, and his progeny, ultimately understood. What Shirley Sherrod did or did not do really didn’t matter. White racial grievance enjoys automatic credibility, and even when disproven, it is never disqualifying of its bearers. It is very difficult to imagine, for instance, a 9/11 truther, who happened to be black, becoming even a governor. And yet we live in an era in which the country’s leading birther might well be president. This fact certainly horrifies some of the same journalists who attacked Clinton this weekend. But what they have yet to come to grips with is that Donald Trump is a democratic phenomenon, and that there are actual people—not trolls under a bridge—whom he, and his prejudices against Latinos, Muslims, and blacks, represent."


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/they-are-all-breitbart-now/499511/
So that 2naSalit Dec 2016 #1
that never happened apparently..figment of our collective imaginations.. JHan Dec 2016 #4
I'm sick of this shit. dawg Dec 2016 #2
there is a huge difference between "liberal ideals" BREMPRO Dec 2016 #5
I did, and his line of reasoning is "elitist" itself. dawg Dec 2016 #6
SOME of them voted for Obama. It's up to the Left/Liberals to figure out how to manipulate KittyWampus Dec 2016 #17
But just between you and me, if they aren't full blown racists ... dawg Dec 2016 #21
That's not elitist at all... NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #18
They are delusional. And fuck them! dawg Dec 2016 #20
I'm not a liberal. I'm a moderate. NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #49
Thanks for this. it is is the kind of direct experience BREMPRO Dec 2016 #50
You deserve a thorough response. dawg Dec 2016 #51
I guess they are in a way treestar Dec 2016 #19
Anyone who thinks it's elitist to stand up for those ideals was never going to be won. kcr Dec 2016 #7
Many voted for Obama, twice, not the GOP. BREMPRO Dec 2016 #22
Kudos to Van for reaching out but not everyone agrees with his assessment of "Deplorable".. JHan Dec 2016 #3
yes, they showed us how not racist they are, by voting for Trump. Brilliant! Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #11
I am reaching my Van Jones limit these days. Justice Dec 2016 #8
I have confidence that Keith Ellison will be listening to Van Jones and that will help geek tragedy Dec 2016 #9
I agree, well said BREMPRO Dec 2016 #23
Agree ...... Kathy M Dec 2016 #41
I personally find this argument very unconvincing Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #10
It became a rallying cry for a lot of his followers NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #26
the question is did it change anyone's mind? Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #29
it's doubtful it changed anybody's mind about who to support NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #30
yes, makes sense. Thanks. Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #32
I doubt this will be heard pscot Dec 2016 #12
Not here for sure. But i do believe that Van's viewpoint is shared by the majority on the left. jack_krass Dec 2016 #16
Yep, Van "gets it" jack_krass Dec 2016 #13
yes poor white folk dsc Dec 2016 #14
Those Trump supporters can watch Trump with wealthy donors now - dismantling the US Justice Dec 2016 #15
He's right, plus.. speaktruthtopower Dec 2016 #24
Good point, didn't know that. BREMPRO Dec 2016 #25
A truly inclusive party includes white people, including white men Dems to Win Dec 2016 #27
If POC are the 'Rising America,' then whites are the 'Falling America.' Dems to Win Dec 2016 #28
yeah, White men have been oppressed for so long in leadership positions ... JHan Dec 2016 #31
Just one small example of an attitude that I believe is helping Democrats lose Dems to Win Dec 2016 #33
So.... JHan Dec 2016 #34
One young white man went from Occupy Wall Street to Bernie supporter to considering Trump Dems to Win Dec 2016 #36
Yes, and I have a million more stories like that... JHan Dec 2016 #38
This is what gets you wondering about your place in the party? taught_me_patience Dec 2016 #35
I come from a long line of white working class Americans Dems to Win Dec 2016 #37
exactly. that's the point. the well intentioned diversity message BREMPRO Dec 2016 #43
Van Jones is right! red dog 1 Dec 2016 #39
Van Jones for DNC Chair Dems to Win Dec 2016 #40
Me too! red dog 1 Dec 2016 #42
he'd be a brilliant choice! I think he could both unite the party BREMPRO Dec 2016 #44
Add me too !! Kathy M Dec 2016 #47
Agree .... Kathy M Dec 2016 #46
I copied this from a Facebook post. It shows some of "their" thinking. mackdaddy Dec 2016 #45
Thanks for that red dog 1 Dec 2016 #48
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