2016 Postmortem

kcr

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7. Anyone who thinks it's elitist to stand up for those ideals was never going to be won.

Thu Dec 8, 2016, 11:40 AM

Dec 2016

Van Jones is wrong. Those voters will always end up voting GOP, because voters who think equal justice is "liberal elitism" will be easily convinced every time that The Other is the problem, no matter what anyone else says. We don't lose because of them. Trying to cater to them, however, destroys our party.

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Van Jones Blames 'Hurricane Trump' on Unexpected Culprit [View all] BREMPRO Dec 2016 OP

So that 2naSalit Dec 2016 #1

that never happened apparently..figment of our collective imaginations.. JHan Dec 2016 #4

I'm sick of this shit. dawg Dec 2016 #2

there is a huge difference between "liberal ideals" BREMPRO Dec 2016 #5

I did, and his line of reasoning is "elitist" itself. dawg Dec 2016 #6

SOME of them voted for Obama. It's up to the Left/Liberals to figure out how to manipulate KittyWampus Dec 2016 #17

But just between you and me, if they aren't full blown racists ... dawg Dec 2016 #21

That's not elitist at all... NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #18

They are delusional. And fuck them! dawg Dec 2016 #20

I'm not a liberal. I'm a moderate. NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #49

Thanks for this. it is is the kind of direct experience BREMPRO Dec 2016 #50

You deserve a thorough response. dawg Dec 2016 #51

I guess they are in a way treestar Dec 2016 #19

Anyone who thinks it's elitist to stand up for those ideals was never going to be won. kcr Dec 2016 #7

Many voted for Obama, twice, not the GOP. BREMPRO Dec 2016 #22

Kudos to Van for reaching out but not everyone agrees with his assessment of "Deplorable".. JHan Dec 2016 #3

yes, they showed us how not racist they are, by voting for Trump. Brilliant! Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #11

I am reaching my Van Jones limit these days. Justice Dec 2016 #8

I have confidence that Keith Ellison will be listening to Van Jones and that will help geek tragedy Dec 2016 #9

I agree, well said BREMPRO Dec 2016 #23

Agree ...... Kathy M Dec 2016 #41

I personally find this argument very unconvincing Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #10

It became a rallying cry for a lot of his followers NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #26

the question is did it change anyone's mind? Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #29

it's doubtful it changed anybody's mind about who to support NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #30

yes, makes sense. Thanks. Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #32

I doubt this will be heard pscot Dec 2016 #12

Not here for sure. But i do believe that Van's viewpoint is shared by the majority on the left. jack_krass Dec 2016 #16

Yep, Van "gets it" jack_krass Dec 2016 #13

yes poor white folk dsc Dec 2016 #14

Those Trump supporters can watch Trump with wealthy donors now - dismantling the US Justice Dec 2016 #15

He's right, plus.. speaktruthtopower Dec 2016 #24

Good point, didn't know that. BREMPRO Dec 2016 #25

A truly inclusive party includes white people, including white men Dems to Win Dec 2016 #27

If POC are the 'Rising America,' then whites are the 'Falling America.' Dems to Win Dec 2016 #28

yeah, White men have been oppressed for so long in leadership positions ... JHan Dec 2016 #31

Just one small example of an attitude that I believe is helping Democrats lose Dems to Win Dec 2016 #33

So.... JHan Dec 2016 #34

One young white man went from Occupy Wall Street to Bernie supporter to considering Trump Dems to Win Dec 2016 #36

Yes, and I have a million more stories like that... JHan Dec 2016 #38

This is what gets you wondering about your place in the party? taught_me_patience Dec 2016 #35

I come from a long line of white working class Americans Dems to Win Dec 2016 #37

exactly. that's the point. the well intentioned diversity message BREMPRO Dec 2016 #43

Van Jones is right! red dog 1 Dec 2016 #39

Van Jones for DNC Chair Dems to Win Dec 2016 #40

Me too! red dog 1 Dec 2016 #42

he'd be a brilliant choice! I think he could both unite the party BREMPRO Dec 2016 #44

Add me too !! Kathy M Dec 2016 #47

Agree .... Kathy M Dec 2016 #46

I copied this from a Facebook post. It shows some of "their" thinking. mackdaddy Dec 2016 #45

Thanks for that red dog 1 Dec 2016 #48