2016 Postmortem

OnionPatch

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65. I don't think the jobs issue was the only factor.

Reply to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #60)

Thu Dec 8, 2016, 12:20 PM

Dec 2016

But I do think it was a factor in the rust belt. Not the only factor, no, but I'm from the rust belt so I had some exposure to what a lot of them were thinking. I personally know some people who normally vote Dem who wouldn't vote for her because of that. They didn't vote for Trump, they just didn't vote at all.

I actually believe the GOP stole the election, but if we're talking about areas where our side could have been stronger, the jobs issue strikes me as one.

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If you think HRC focused on social justice more than economic justice [View all] La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 OP

Mahalo, La Lioness Cha Dec 2016 #1

So what criticisms can one level about how HRC handled economic justice? el_bryanto Dec 2016 #2

I'd say ones that do not perpetuate the lie that it cost her the election. bettyellen Dec 2016 #3

Hmmmm so we aren't allowed to critisize how she handled the campaign el_bryanto Dec 2016 #4

Better a half loaf than nothing at all leftofcool Dec 2016 #10

Yeah that'd be great - if your candidate had won. But I don't think she did. nt el_bryanto Dec 2016 #12

"Your candidate?" mcar Dec 2016 #34

As I've said elsewhere I voted for Clinton - I wanted her to win. el_bryanto Dec 2016 #49

That means she was your candidate too. So you should have said "Our candidate", right? nt stevenleser Dec 2016 #68

Well I said that after the election - technically she's nobodys candidate el_bryanto Dec 2016 #72

I was specific about perpetuating the nonsense it was a deciding factor. bettyellen Dec 2016 #18

Ones based in actual fact La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #5

Just a suggestion, but this is not the appropriate website to trash Democrats. n/t Lil Missy Dec 2016 #7

Ah - ok. el_bryanto Dec 2016 #8

Is Bernie a Democrat now? When did he change from being Independent? leftofcool Dec 2016 #11

Just confirming - you can crap on Bernie Sanders and his supporters el_bryanto Dec 2016 #14

Clearly, there are plenty of people dumping on both Hillary and Bernie. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #15

Bernie is not a Democrat, nor are many of his supporters. This is not the place to trash Democrats. Lil Missy Dec 2016 #33

No its not. Especially given the rules GummyBearz Dec 2016 #56

He was "registered" as a Democrat for a couple minutes. Before and after he was Independent, Lil Missy Dec 2016 #58

Some people see what they want to see. And perhaps still smarting about ... someone else ...... Lil Missy Dec 2016 #6

The people insisting that economics is the answer to everything seem to want an easy solution. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #9

No one doesn't know this. RadiationTherapy Dec 2016 #43

K&R ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #13

Exactly mcar Dec 2016 #16

Her policies addressed both, but due to Trump's rhetoric she focused more on one NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #17

She won on the economy, including in the rust belt states, TwilightZone Dec 2016 #26

I think she was covered more or social issues, then on economic issues La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #39

Mostly right Cosmocat Dec 2016 #51

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #19

Sorry we don't exist to amuse you La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #20

What do you exist for? Red Oak Dec 2016 #27

Not for your amusement La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #36

Trump was the entertainer, Clinton was the pragmatist. Solving problems and addressing issues.... George II Dec 2016 #22

No one is forcing you to stay here. So please go somewhere where you won't be bored.nt pnwmom Dec 2016 #28

It was a long campaign and she pretty much focused extensively on just about every issue... George II Dec 2016 #21

If one remains ignorant of her positions on the issues... TwilightZone Dec 2016 #23

Simply put - "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink"! George II Dec 2016 #31

You are so right, George! brer cat Dec 2016 #24

She was focused on all the right issues elmac Dec 2016 #25

THIS Cosmocat Dec 2016 #52

Social justice and economic justice are NOT mutually exclusive. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2016 #29

knr, La Lioness Hekate Dec 2016 #30

I truly don't think anyone here believes that. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #32

Why is it so important for you to minimize my concerns La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #35

Concerns can be raised without accusing people of planning to betray or exclude you. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #66

you act as though you experience the world, or DU, or democrats the same way i do La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #69

I know you and I experience the world differently. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #70

You seem to never mean to belittle but somehow always do La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #71

Agree with all you said! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #37

One could accuse you of being wealthy for the same simple reasons. RadiationTherapy Dec 2016 #38

one could, but one would be amusingly wrong. nt La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #40

Precisely. I am similarly amused at the assessment in your op. RadiationTherapy Dec 2016 #41

i did start the OP by saying both are important to me, i want a job La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #42

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #44

and what ideas are you offering? let me hear your brilliance. La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #46

His brilliance is... TwilightZone Dec 2016 #48

I don't think she focused on either very much. hollowdweller Dec 2016 #45

that is completely untrue. she had so many policy speeches and conversations La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #47

for the 1,000,000 time Cosmocat Dec 2016 #50

I thought the election was over Faux pas Dec 2016 #53

Because you're in the post-mortem forum BainsBane Dec 2016 #55

lol because this is posted in 2016 Postmortem (Forum) La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #57

lol Faux pas Dec 2016 #63

well then trash the forum. i will defend HRC as long as this forum is open La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #64

It's hard for me to see those efforts BainsBane Dec 2016 #54

I think her focus on social justice was perfect. OnionPatch Dec 2016 #59

yes, we can. however, let's just get a few fact straight first La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #60

I don't think the jobs issue was the only factor. OnionPatch Dec 2016 #65

I've never been able to figure out how you could have one without the other. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2016 #61

FDR can show you how to have economic justice without social justice La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #62

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