2016 Postmortem

killbotfactory

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22. I supported Bernie and fell in line behind Clinton when he lost.

Fri Dec 9, 2016, 01:59 PM

Dec 2016

There was no equivalency between Trump and Clinton. I agree. But I live in a solid blue state and no one I know was excited about Clinton. Bernie didn't create her negatives, and ran one of the most genteel primary fights I've ever witnessed. He pointed out issues he had with her, and those issues were shared by MANY MANY people BEFORE Bernie entered the race. The reason he ran in the primary is so that he wouldn't be a spoiler in the general election.

If the reason Clinton lost is because someone dared to run against her, then how great of a politician could she possibly be?

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Hillary Haters Face Reality Voting For tRump [View all] Grassy Knoll Dec 2016 OP

A friend of mine's daughter is one of those Bernie millennials, she voted for Johnson doc03 Dec 2016 #1

She never voted for Bernie for the right reasons, if somehow she was able to trade-up for Johnson. JCanete Dec 2016 #2

It was "cool" to vote for Johnson woolldog Dec 2016 #8

well then they didn't know what anti-establishment was. nt JCanete Dec 2016 #21

Yes but the reason she never voted for Hillary was some of the retoric doc03 Dec 2016 #12

which applies double or more so to the republican party and most pro-corporate politicians. JCanete Dec 2016 #23

There are no guarantees for 'never happened" scenarios CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #32

Your version of selfish is not mine. Being a part of the democratic process by running for election JCanete Dec 2016 #33

Oh, I forgot. Only ultra progressives are never selfish CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #35

I'm sorry, what just happened there? You got that from my post in which I suggested that JCanete Dec 2016 #36

Perhaps, I misread your intentions and you misread mine CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #37

tbh if he hadn't run I think that would have depressed turnout as well forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #40

Wasn't it Bernie that started the "corrupt corporate serving Hillary" theme? CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #14

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #15

You, my friend, are a perfect example of what I was talking about in my post above CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #17

HER OWN STAFF were raising the alarm about the speeches killbotfactory Dec 2016 #18

Her staff were paid to look for weak point so that they can be mitigated CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #19

I supported Bernie and fell in line behind Clinton when he lost. killbotfactory Dec 2016 #22

A genteel primary fight, really? CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #30

Nailed it... SidDithers Dec 2016 #24

"Nailed it" x 2!!!! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #34

"corporate giveaways that he could have never provided." JCanete Dec 2016 #25

Until Comney, most polls had us winning a senate majority and big gains in congress. bettyellen Dec 2016 #26

You can't have this both ways. Either Sanders cost us the election, in which case I say no, the DNC JCanete Dec 2016 #27

Actually it was such a squeaker that any of a multitude of things could have turned it around... bettyellen Dec 2016 #28

Sure. I'm not going to dredge up for the purposes of this conversation whether all accusations JCanete Dec 2016 #29

Good points but Seasider Dec 2016 #38

No, but those individuals, whoever they are, weren't goaded to do so by Sanders JCanete Dec 2016 #39

Most people aren't going to face that reality very quickly, and those people who hate Hillary, or JCanete Dec 2016 #3

I think Noam Chomsky said it best still_one Dec 2016 #4

Yes, this is a fair criticism of the approach. I was just saying that people who JCanete Dec 2016 #5

They must be rejoicing now at all the system shock. I hold them accountable for it. Justice Dec 2016 #7

No, that neve happens. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #9

Did you forget about President Obama? mtnsnake Dec 2016 #13

Exit polls in both 1992 and 1996 clearly showed that Perot took equally from both candidates. StevieM Dec 2016 #31

They're going to learn "the hard way". Serves them right. Narrow oasis Dec 2016 #6

I think the worst part is how such people style themselves "heroes" in their own minds. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #10

I understand them--Well, kinda ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #11

This. And there is no hope changing their minds, either. duffyduff Dec 2016 #16

Yup... SidDithers Dec 2016 #20

I saw a post on Joe.My.God that said it beautifully. yardwork Dec 2016 #41