2016 Postmortem

J_William_Ryan

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53. No, its not Clintons fault.

Sun Dec 11, 2016, 04:07 PM

Dec 2016

The mistake was to not realize how unpopular Clinton was in certain key states.

The mistake was to not realize that for a significant number of voters Clinton was more unpopular than Trump, however difficult that might be to believe.

And the mistake was to lose sight of the fact that voters are capricious and subjective when it comes to voting for president – the ‘emails,’ Comey, and a dash of misogyny contributed to Clinton’s loss.

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We were warned. We actually knew this could happen. [View all] MineralMan Dec 2016 OP

I'm going to say Trump is fat. While I still can. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2016 #1

He is fat and ugly MFM008 Dec 2016 #9

Whatever. Say whatever you like. MineralMan Dec 2016 #10

That's okay. The poster above trumped me in the game sense anyway. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2016 #41

Uh, so? cwydro Dec 2016 #48

Mineral Man doesn't approve of body shaming. It goes back a while. rzemanfl Dec 2016 #51

Liberals generally are not big on body shaming. Dislike seeing it here bettyellen Dec 2016 #54

We can sure get off on tangents here. rzemanfl Dec 2016 #55

Democrats didn't fail. The blame rests fully on the Trump voters. duffyduff Dec 2016 #2

Clinton voters didn't fail us. MineralMan Dec 2016 #6

+1 (nt) LongtimeAZDem Dec 2016 #28

I agree with you, MM. murielm99 Dec 2016 #31

Actually MM, I saw several posts here where DUers said they would happily vote third party. cwydro Dec 2016 #50

Yes. I remember who they were, too MineralMan Dec 2016 #56

I wonder if they know we remember them. cwydro Dec 2016 #57

Right Cosmocat Dec 2016 #36

We were also warned about nominating a candidate with so much baggage Exilednight Dec 2016 #3

Not Clinton's fault and you know it. duffyduff Dec 2016 #5

Why include Bloomberg? progressoid Dec 2016 #23

Probably because Bloomberg said at one point that he would Tanuki Dec 2016 #38

absolutely AlexSFCA Dec 2016 #37

I never mentioned Sanders. Exilednight Dec 2016 #66

Hillary Clinton was the Party's nominee. She won that nomination MineralMan Dec 2016 #7

It is her fault. She lacks the skills to get out from all the baggage she carries. Exilednight Dec 2016 #39

I agree with your post metroins Dec 2016 #44

Nice to accuse like the GOP has for 25 years, but please explain what "actual" baggage world wide wally Dec 2016 #49

Baggage comes in all forms. It doesn't have to be something Exilednight Dec 2016 #67

Hillary tried to warn people. No one was listening. leftofcool Dec 2016 #4

Yes, she did. She was right. MineralMan Dec 2016 #8

We knew about russian hacking libtodeath Dec 2016 #11

Yes, we did, and well before the election. MineralMan Dec 2016 #13

Or they would have just upped the vote count against us. libtodeath Dec 2016 #15

See, that only works up to a certain point. MineralMan Dec 2016 #18

Not with a hack. libtodeath Dec 2016 #19

You can't hack a voting machine from a remote location. Exilednight Dec 2016 #68

Now faced with the realization that a hostile foreign government hijacked an American election AnotherMother4Peace Dec 2016 #12

Roughly 80,000 votes in three states would have made MineralMan Dec 2016 #14

Glad you can just shrug it off libtodeath Dec 2016 #16

How am I "shrugging it off?" MineralMan Dec 2016 #20

We dont fight for recounts or a revote given the circumstances? libtodeath Dec 2016 #22

There are recounts ongoing. MineralMan Dec 2016 #24

I am shrugging it off. Missn-Hitch Dec 2016 #32

The warnings that you are talking about mtnsnake Dec 2016 #17

I'm only talking about the general election campaign. MineralMan Dec 2016 #21

I ran into this one neo-con couple in my neck of the woods mtnsnake Dec 2016 #25

I was also sure Clinton would win. MineralMan Dec 2016 #26

I thought he had a chance and I was nervous. My friend said, "No way". Missn-Hitch Dec 2016 #35

Nate Silver zipplewrath Dec 2016 #60

Indeed. I was on 438 daily. Missn-Hitch Dec 2016 #65

Two near certainties in every election HassleCat Dec 2016 #27

We didn't fail because we were warned. ananda Dec 2016 #29

I voted the earliest that I've ever voted in a general election. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #30

There are Cassandras of the party. Don't call them paranoid. Heed them. Help build the evidence. ancianita Dec 2016 #33

No one wanted to listen to the warnings. Gore1FL Dec 2016 #34

we all saw it coming AlexSFCA Dec 2016 #40

I was talked down to by a few tom_kelly Dec 2016 #42

I keep thinking of the Yoda metaphor. Initech Dec 2016 #43

Armageddon dhol82 Dec 2016 #45

The force? fills after the vacuum of suffering uponit7771 Dec 2016 #58

And? LisaL Dec 2016 #46

You can't hide from yourself. liquid diamond Dec 2016 #47

There were also LOTS of warnings here after the Comey bullshit stunt. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #52

I was one of the DUers that posted about the Danger of Comey's statement UCmeNdc Dec 2016 #63

No, its not Clintons fault. J_William_Ryan Dec 2016 #53

KnR Hekate Dec 2016 #59

Well. you also posted that the polls were not giving Hillary the actual count. cwydro Dec 2016 #61

Actually, we DID listen. And we said we can't afford to waste time on a corrosive primary. ucrdem Dec 2016 #62

Right 'cause not challenging HRC in the primary would have won over the 40% of Dem primary voters aikoaiko Dec 2016 #64