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karynnj

(60,113 posts)
25. Proving Russia did this does not prove it cost HRC the election
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:43 PM
Dec 2016

An easier case to be made is that the Comey letters did -- and even that can not be actually proven. Consider what the wikileaks contained and ask yourself if anyone on the fence would have been persuaded to vote for Trump rather than Clinton because of it.

The worst leaks were the DNC leaks. There the impact was that several top people were kicked out and it could be seen that the DNC was in the tank for HRC. On the latter, I doubt that came as a surprise to anyone -- it was pretty obvious. Were the people kicked out more capable than their replacements? Would the campaign strategy been different?

I would suggest that the reason she lost WI was due to voter suppression -- because of the need for ids that were hard for some to get. There was also voter suppression in North Carolina and a few other states. Why am I risking the anger of some questioning that it was the hacking, because VOTER SUPPRESSION was the reason that we also lost 2000 and 2004. Even with the ballot problems in both 2000 FL and 2004 OH, without the felons list and the actions to limit the vote of Haitian Americans in FL or the inadequate number of machines in OH -- Gore and Kerry would have won. This is an ongoing problem and democracy requires that we fix it. We should have done so when we had more power.

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Rec. nt LexVegas Dec 2016 #1
The 1% owns the media and has been framing every issue since about 1970. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #2
K&R for taking back the narrative meow2u3 Dec 2016 #3
Cnn MFM008 Dec 2016 #4
yeah, fuck their compromise they are pushing. mopinko Dec 2016 #5
and the "bbbut, but, they didn't hack the election". YES THEY FUCKING DID. LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #13
yeah the whole "surprising strength in rural areas" mopinko Dec 2016 #20
notice how they kept the doors to places closed LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #21
if it were hillary mopinko Dec 2016 #22
Sick of the posts trying to put blame on HRC. duffyduff Dec 2016 #6
Oh, stop crying about Russia hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #7
Yet somehow Bernie couldn't beat BainsBane Dec 2016 #10
"You really don't understand the severity of this." Then explain it. hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #11
Bernie would have lost 40 states leftynyc Dec 2016 #18
"Bernie totally could have stopped it". Really? How? George II Dec 2016 #12
You got the narrative wrong. Globalists fixed this. Just happened to know some guys. ancianita Dec 2016 #8
"We ain't in their league and you know it?" Speak for yourself honeychild. LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #14
I'm describing. Not endorsing. Don't try to make this about the participants. ancianita Dec 2016 #17
I'm not the one doing that...*you* are. "We ain't in their league". nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #24
Kicked for da Bug!!! greytdemocrat Dec 2016 #9
knr again triron Dec 2016 #15
I agree and rec. but what does one do with a post like this? March on D.C.? Write our congressman. zonkers Dec 2016 #16
every time they say "move on", you say RUSSIA. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #19
Exactly right! True_Blue Dec 2016 #23
They are even doing it on THIS very thread. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #27
Proving Russia did this does not prove it cost HRC the election karynnj Dec 2016 #25
I'm uncomfortable SpicyBoi Dec 2016 #26
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