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JCanete

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5. Love Samantha Bee, but that is a simplification of a lot. I agree that identity is part of the
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 04:56 PM
Dec 2016

package...and part of what you are selling as a candidate and message. But is she unintentionally implying with her logic that Clinton lost because of not enough identity politics? Besides, standing up for people's civil rights and being in favor of a big diverse and inspiring tent is not running on identity politics in the same way that some have used the term. When Sanders says we can't just run on them, he's referring specifically to a candidate emphasizing that quality while subsuming any platform on actual policies that will help people of these identities and the American people at large. We can disagree whether or not that happened in Clinton's campaign, but at the very least we need to know what we're talking about when we say "identity politics" and it sounds like we have different definitions.

But yes, saying "When you fight for things that people can believe in you win" is a good argument. It misses the realities of corporate media influence and all the candidates who lose when fighting for those things, so I assume she's oddly enough, talking about the Democratic Party at large, which has often been tepid on social and economic issues(as in coming late to the movements as the wind blows), in a kind of nudging way.

Or maybe somebody else can unravel this for me.

... LexVegas Dec 2016 #1
... La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #3
Right! On! Point! It bears repeating over & over & over again. The Dem party can't afford to lose.. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #2
+1 La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #4
Love Samantha Bee, but that is a simplification of a lot. I agree that identity is part of the JCanete Dec 2016 #5
no, she is saying don't dismiss concerns of minorities and minimize civil rights issues La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #6
Well that's the mainstream media for you for sure. nt JCanete Dec 2016 #7
Wha'? Samantha Bee is "mainstream media"? Did I misunderstand what you're saying? George II Dec 2016 #14
you misunderstood. I meant that is certainly how they are framing our campaign "mistakes." JCanete Dec 2016 #18
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #8
Sorry, but characterizing what one doesn't agree with as "identity politics" is the simplification. George II Dec 2016 #11
dude! that was so helpful thank you! You can probably get a lot more posts in like this. nt JCanete Dec 2016 #15
Economic progressive policies and civil rights are aligned with each other. killbotfactory Dec 2016 #23
yeah I know, I don't understand it either. Trying to though. nt JCanete Dec 2016 #31
Or anyone who dismisses these concerns as "political correctness." pnwmom Dec 2016 #9
ugh. ugh. ugh. La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #13
and "political correctness" marybourg Dec 2016 #21
Good for her. I've been following politics, etc. for about 50 years, never even heard... George II Dec 2016 #10
it existed on the right, it's just that the left has co-opted it recently La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #12
Ever notice that minorities are never referred to as "millennials"? George II Dec 2016 #16
or working class. La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #17
No shit - it popped into my lexicon around the same time as alt-right. nt Lucky Luciano Dec 2016 #40
Republicans started identity politics NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #50
No. Identity politics refers to the traits of politicians. Civil rights refers to the traits Eric J in MN Dec 2016 #19
no. it does not. identity politics has been a right wing term intended to destroy civil rights La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #20
When did "Identity Politics" come into being? Who created that term? George II Dec 2016 #41
Wrong. kcr Dec 2016 #45
Yup La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #47
Racism and Sexism Are the New Truth TomCADem Dec 2016 #22
ugh. what you said is so true, and so disgusting at the same time. La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #26
Samantha Bee is correct yet again Gothmog Dec 2016 #24
indeed La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #25
K & R SunSeeker Dec 2016 #27
Sorry, Samantha Parker DeWitt Dec 2016 #28
you know you're wrong, right? that is not the definition of identity politics. nt La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #29
"Identity Politics" is "All Lives Matter!!!" for the Left. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2016 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Dec 2016 #36
She was right about the people who actually f**king vote Democratic. ehrnst Dec 2016 #43
Yes, all those 'identity politics' folks were the ones who actually voted for Hillary ehrnst Dec 2016 #48
KnR Hekate Dec 2016 #30
Spot on! brer cat Dec 2016 #32
Exactly BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #33
k&r Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #34
K&Rec!! (nt) ehrnst Dec 2016 #37
KNR Lucinda Dec 2016 #38
Sounds about right to me. nt Lucky Luciano Dec 2016 #39
It's a dog whistle the GOP has used for some time BainsBane Dec 2016 #42
pretty much. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #44
Kick La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #46
Thank you, Samantha Bee! Cha Dec 2016 #49
Absolutely. Spot. On. BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #51
Right on, Samantha Bee. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2016 #52
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