2016 Postmortem

Orsino

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44. All our elections are stolen, to varying degrees.

Sun Dec 18, 2016, 08:15 AM

Dec 2016

Given the open buying of influence inherent in modern campaigns, I don't see why anyone would try to argue that 2016 was somehow an exception.

The theft is always there, to the extent that our laws and the lax enforcement thereof permit.

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Why is it so difficult for us to think the election was stolen? [View all] planetc Dec 2016 OP

I pretty much figured it was being stolen Richard D Dec 2016 #1

Yes, I found that suspicious too! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #2

esp. the nature of that hack CountAllVotes Dec 2016 #11

The "God Emperor Trump" Richard D Dec 2016 #24

I thought the faces w/the red lips on them CountAllVotes Dec 2016 #46

Coinkidink??... I don't think so!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #13

It was stolen by calculating just where and how many votes to swing the electoral college brush Dec 2016 #29

I thought that too blue cat Dec 2016 #33

the comradery helps triron Dec 2016 #34

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #42

me too! Really it started for me the day before, when Trump was announcing Cabinet picks. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #65

it was stolen. putitinD Dec 2016 #3

Well, that's four of us. So far, so good. eom planetc Dec 2016 #4

It was stolen. Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #5

They stole it. True_Blue Dec 2016 #6

It is very easy to think and to see. Coyotl Dec 2016 #8

Worth a thousand words triron Dec 2016 #19

This. All the GOP cares about is money and power. Look at what they do in the light of day: NC coup chimpymustgo Dec 2016 #47

mine is zippythepinhead Dec 2016 #62

Cynic alert: Frankly, I think EVERYONE in politics... Guilded Lilly Dec 2016 #7

Never any need to apologize for cynicism ... planetc Dec 2016 #16

We just don't want it to be true CanonRay Dec 2016 #9

It was absolutely stolen. onecaliberal Dec 2016 #10

Stolen elections require an entirely different post mortem Kotya Dec 2016 #12

You're right. planetc Dec 2016 #14

Yes you are right on (see my other post here- triron Dec 2016 #18

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #43

We should be used to it by now. 2000, anyone? nt Laffy Kat Dec 2016 #15

Also see Prof. Ron Baiman's triron Dec 2016 #17

No question in my mind it was stolen!! ElementaryPenguin Dec 2016 #20

I believe it is 24 out of 28 triron Dec 2016 #22

I just cut and pasted it from the report... ElementaryPenguin Dec 2016 #23

Another important numerical statistic triron Dec 2016 #26

It was absolutely stolen, and we will, I fear, end up doing nothing but watch our 60 years plus Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #21

Yes, I think it was. Some of it we have proof of, like.. mvd Dec 2016 #25

Good points. For all we know, all the outrage over the Russians mtnsnake Dec 2016 #27

Yeah, it strikes me that the Russians are a distraction from horrendous problems in the voting ... planetc Dec 2016 #31

I do fear this. It's a horrible charade that has become really dangerous for the non-1%. chimpymustgo Dec 2016 #48

they stole it it so many ways KT2000 Dec 2016 #28

Also the bashing last year and this year. planetc Dec 2016 #49

For one thing, there's no evidence for that theory mythology Dec 2016 #30

Why is it so difficult for us to think the election was stolen? LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #32

There is two ways to look at it. Exilednight Dec 2016 #35

Also depends on both triron Dec 2016 #36

Statistical evidence is the worst kind of evidence. Exilednight Dec 2016 #37

Then why is it so widely used in the sciences triron Dec 2016 #39

Big difference. Exilednight Dec 2016 #45

The studies of the "red shift" are also done by trained statisticians. planetc Dec 2016 #50

Dr Philips is a doctor of? Exilednight Dec 2016 #51

I urge you to look up Dr. Phillips' book planetc Dec 2016 #57

If we anulled the election, it'd cause a revolt and we'd look like facists. You don't have proof of dionysus Dec 2016 #66

Ron Baiman is a trained statistician. triron Dec 2016 #55

I think it's the whole boy/wolf story. egduj Dec 2016 #38

yes; we need all paper ballots, all hand-counted, all the time. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #40

Of course it was stolen. Our vote was "hacked" in so many ways.... MaeScott Dec 2016 #41

All our elections are stolen, to varying degrees. Orsino Dec 2016 #44

To me the state to look to on this matter is actually Iowa. StevieM Dec 2016 #52

Iowa is just one state triron Dec 2016 #54

I think that polling has taken on a life of its own HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #53

I have no problems with it, clearly 2000 and 2004 were stolen as well. Rex Dec 2016 #56

The 2016 "election." Paladin Dec 2016 #58

I as well triron Dec 2016 #59

Because it makes us complacent and lazy. Kentonio Dec 2016 #60

I agree Iamaartist Dec 2016 #61

Stolen MoonRiver Dec 2016 #63

to anyone who believes this election was not stolen zippythepinhead Dec 2016 #64