2016 Postmortem

BainsBane

(54,771 posts)

43. We've been through this before

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 04:40 PM

Dec 2016

and you apparently didn't read my response. I conceded her campaign was not persuasive to the low information voter. What she had is substantive policy proposals designed to address inequality and economic growth. The media never covered them, and even many Democrats didn't care enough to learn about her proposals.

Clnton's forte has never been sloganeering, and she offered nothing to voters desperate to be pandered to. Instead, she respected the intelligence of the voters and provided thoughtful solutions. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

America, as it turns out, is not a country that wants thoughtful and substantive solutions. We have a population used to being marketed to, that demands 3-5 word slogans. And so they got it with Donald Trump's Make America great again.

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Obama says Democrats lost by not showing up [View all] portlander23 Dec 2016 OP

yeah by not showing up in 2010 and 2014 La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #1

Every election is lost by the loser not having more voters show, except when Dems run for President. Coyotl Dec 2016 #2

+1 Little Star Dec 2016 #5

I am sure glad it didn't have anything to do with the 2013 SC decision which struck still_one Dec 2016 #3

+1 Little Star Dec 2016 #7

Here's a live link for your post Uponthegears Dec 2016 #31

It was AFTER that SC decision that 14 other states became embolded and still_one Dec 2016 #33

Cannot disagree at all Uponthegears Dec 2016 #37

We all have to really unite to fight this, because we are all in this together still_one Dec 2016 #39

Our arms are locked Uponthegears Dec 2016 #41

YES!!!!!!!!! still_one Dec 2016 #46

I agree and somewhat disagree. WilliamH1474 Dec 2016 #67

Perhaps rather than complain after the fact... NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #53

I am responding to the OP pointing out that 2008 and 2012 were not the same still_one Dec 2016 #55

It figures Uponthegears Dec 2016 #57

Hear,hear. n/t ogradda Dec 2016 #54

A bad argument. Turbineguy Dec 2016 #60

I don't know if they are reachable or not, but I do know that this election was a still_one Dec 2016 #61

Generational is right. Turbineguy Dec 2016 #62

no doubt about it still_one Dec 2016 #65

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #70

The Electoral College is weighted wrong if Ca has that many more voters it MattP Dec 2016 #4

The simple solution zipplewrath Dec 2016 #20

might have something to do with voter id laws, voter roll purges, polling location placement, unblock Dec 2016 #6

It sure did have something to do with it unblock, along with the 2013 SC decision which shot down still_one Dec 2016 #9

It looks like Obama really, really wants a smooth transition of power. jalan48 Dec 2016 #8

How is it that Obama overcame so much in 2008 and Hillary Exilednight Dec 2016 #10

you're wrong. she didn't have it easier, it is much harder to win when your party has controlled the La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #12

A basic recitation of the order of presidents BainsBane Dec 2016 #22

Reagan was a two term president who followed by his own party. Exilednight Dec 2016 #36

Reagan was an enormously popular Republican BainsBane Dec 2016 #40

Obama's approval rating for his last year in office is three points higher than Reagan's was. Exilednight Dec 2016 #49

Dukakis was doing well until the death penalty question JI7 Dec 2016 #48

My opinion-too much baggage and hubris. Trump was so bad her campaign thought she had it in the bag. jalan48 Dec 2016 #13

this! berksdem Dec 2016 #16

The polling showed as much prior to the Comey letter BainsBane Dec 2016 #23

yes... berksdem Dec 2016 #28

Elitism? BainsBane Dec 2016 #29

Good point. JudyM Dec 2016 #44

What data exactly are you speaking of? The data that showed her lead quickly evaporating in the Exilednight Dec 2016 #52

That, plus the perception of entitlement Retrograde Dec 2016 #63

I agree 100% WilliamH1474 Dec 2016 #69

I couldn't agree more. n/t mtnsnake Dec 2016 #72

I know right Lotusflower70 Dec 2016 #15

Because he ran following 8 yrs of GOP rule and the economy was a mess BainsBane Dec 2016 #17

What was her economic message? Exilednight Dec 2016 #34

We've been through this before BainsBane Dec 2016 #43

Perhaps you're underweighting the fact that a significant number of working people don't have time JudyM Dec 2016 #45

The sign of true genius is the ability to take a complex subject and narrow it down to a few Exilednight Dec 2016 #50

Russian hacking and releasing info from the DNC contributed to the demoralization of shraby Dec 2016 #11

Hammer meet nail DeminPennswoods Dec 2016 #19

Suddenly Obama's advice matters? BainsBane Dec 2016 #14

Not to me zipplewrath Dec 2016 #21

Obama's not "just another corporatist Establishment Dem" aidbo Dec 2016 #35

This isn't either/or but instead and crazycatlady Dec 2016 #18

Low turnout? SFnomad Dec 2016 #42

It was down in many battleground states pstokely Dec 2016 #56

Sorry, that's a generality you can't make SFnomad Dec 2016 #71

So that's your 2 cents , Mr. President? Not even a half cent on Comey? oasis Dec 2016 #24

Is the OP ever going to show up? BainsBane Dec 2016 #25

+1... SidDithers Dec 2016 #38

some democrats who showed up voted for trump....I hope they regret the decision for years beachbum bob Dec 2016 #26

What if they show up but are not allowed to vote? Or never got to register because the DMV office KittyWampus Dec 2016 #27

Some in Wisconsin are only open the "fifth Thursday" i.e. 4/5 per year. bettyellen Dec 2016 #47

It's not good enough to show up to these areas every four years. PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #30

That's ALWAYS the reason lame54 Dec 2016 #32

Somebody tell him that Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. milestogo Dec 2016 #51

. Rex Dec 2016 #58

Ever again? Truth321 Dec 2016 #59

See I've been saying it was a base vs base election and ours didn't turn out. coolbreeze77 Dec 2016 #64

About 3 million more of us turned out, so no that is not it. Rex Dec 2016 #68

Sorry Mr. Obama, I like you a LOT, but the DNC turned to SHIT under your tenure. RBInMaine Dec 2016 #66