2016 Postmortem

oberliner

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91. No, she actually evolved to become more liberal over time

Thu Dec 22, 2016, 03:09 PM

Dec 2016

She explains that metamorphosis quite interestingly in numerous interviews. She talks about her very conservative upbringing and how her views on social issues changed over time to what they are today. It hardly seems fair to judge someone based on quotes from 12 years ago when they have since disavowed those positions and have acted in support of gay marriage and equality for all.

With respect to Syria, I don't think any liberal supports ISIS or Al-Qaeda taking control of that country. Certainly there is significant disagreement over how to prevent that from happening, but I think everyone agrees that is a complex situation.

To quote Bernie Sanders, "What we’ve also got to do — and this is tough stuff — is work with Russia, work with Saudi Arabia, work with Iran, all of whom have common interests in opposition to ISIS.”

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Another thing I don't get is progressives who love Tulsi Gabbard but rail against blue dogs [View all] La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 OP

Recommended. Excellent question. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #1

"The Israeli State" ?? oberliner Dec 2016 #23

I refer to it as the Israeli State to distinguish the government guillaumeb Dec 2016 #27

Do you do that with any other countries? oberliner Dec 2016 #30

But sometimes, when criticizing the "State" of Israel, guillaumeb Dec 2016 #40

OK oberliner Dec 2016 #60

I try not to expect consistent beliefs of anyone at either extreme of the political spectrum. LonePirate Dec 2016 #2

but certainly in the middle, really? Really? nt JCanete Dec 2016 #21

I've never understood it myself.. JHan Dec 2016 #3

also she is a giant fan of Modi, the PM of India La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #4

Genocide? oberliner Dec 2016 #25

he allowed a 1000 people from a particular community to be killed La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #49

No, most liberals don't call it a genocide oberliner Dec 2016 #51

actually most liberals in india do. i know this because i am from india and have a large set of La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #52

OK oberliner Dec 2016 #57

Not to pick nits, i think that classifies as more of a slaughter or massacre than a genocide dionysus Dec 2016 #81

there is still hope gabbard will take a job with the trump admin so we can get a real progressive nt msongs Dec 2016 #5

oh god. that's not a real thing is it? i heard that it maybe true for heidi heitcamp La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #6

There are a lot of so-called "progressives" who are the opposite of liberal. MADem Dec 2016 #7

In the case of Tulsi, it comes down to she endorsed Sanders. Nothing else matters, not her record KittyWampus Dec 2016 #16

I find her hatred of Muslims problematic. MADem Dec 2016 #18

She does not hate Muslims oberliner Dec 2016 #29

That's a major walk back from previous comments--which people noticed. MADem Dec 2016 #32

No, it's not oberliner Dec 2016 #37

You're not going back far enough. Stop quoting the recent stuff, when her profile was raised. MADem Dec 2016 #45

She has never said she hates Muslims at any point in her political career oberliner Dec 2016 #50

The act of kissing Modi's ass is as loud a statement as she needs to make. MADem Dec 2016 #58

Do you think her being Hindu is at all relevant? oberliner Dec 2016 #59

Her father is a Roman Catholic. She learned a lot of her hate at her daddy's knee. MADem Dec 2016 #64

Interesting perspective oberliner Dec 2016 #65

I simply pointed out her father's religion as a counterpoint to your assumption that I felt MADem Dec 2016 #66

That was not the question I asked oberliner Dec 2016 #70

I don't know why she thinks as she does. She is a Muslim - hater, though. Her comments MADem Dec 2016 #84

She is definitely not a Muslim hater oberliner Dec 2016 #92

yeah, the love of Tulsi is unwarranted. if that's the best the dems can do from her district La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #68

What she ain't is LIBERAL. MADem Dec 2016 #76

She is definitely liberal oberliner Dec 2016 #77

No one with a brain thinks that pipeline is a smart idea. Doesn't make them "liberal." MADem Dec 2016 #78

Only about a dozen in Congress signed that letter of protest to President Obama oberliner Dec 2016 #79

She "modified" those public positions because her attitudes weren't selling in her district. MADem Dec 2016 #85

No, she actually evolved to become more liberal over time oberliner Dec 2016 #91

I doubt we'll ever see eye to eye on this matter. MADem Dec 2016 #93

Probably not - but I do appreciate you taking the time to engage in this conversation oberliner Dec 2016 #94

And let's put this vote in context NCDem777 Dec 2016 #95

The Curious Islamophobic Politics of Dem Congressmember Tulsi Gabbard Cha Dec 2016 #31

Preposterous title oberliner Dec 2016 #61

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #44

Exactly! radical noodle Dec 2016 #80

Is there supposed to be a difference, now? In the past, people used the term progressive dionysus Dec 2016 #82

I don't want to boot out Gabbard or Blue Dogs. David__77 Dec 2016 #8

sure. i mean i am ok with people having differing views on syria La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #9

I don't want blue dogs out of the party NCDem777 Dec 2016 #34

well then it's a good thing Tulsi resigned from the DNC La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #54

Do you like what she's SAYING about Syria????? MADem Dec 2016 #33

Well what legal ground do we have to remove him? NCDem777 Dec 2016 #38

We have no "legal ground to remove" Nutty Kim of North Korea, either, but MADem Dec 2016 #43

I don't get it either. JHan Dec 2016 #96

Gabbard is constantly seeking media coverage. At least we know that much. oasis Dec 2016 #10

Kick La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #11

Odds on her being Trump's VA nominee? nt geek tragedy Dec 2016 #12

Lol. That's so sad. I thought that was Palins job La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #13

they're kind of the same person, just had different career opportunities geek tragedy Dec 2016 #41

GIRL! I got a hide a week back cause I pointed out Tulsi loves guns and hates Muslims... KittyWampus Dec 2016 #14

This thread got hidden too but I petitioned for it La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #15

First we need to recognized she endorsed Sanders. After that, many other things make sense. KittyWampus Dec 2016 #17

Ding ding ding. SaschaHM Dec 2016 #19

If that doesn't tell you what a farce the Revolution is, nothing will. kcr Dec 2016 #83

Good for you! mcar Dec 2016 #24

For a lot of people it's not so much far left vs. center left, PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #20

I seem to remember a young man named Barack Obama who did pretty well for himself La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #47

She supported Bernie mcar Dec 2016 #22

probably that as the field goes our choices suck? Its better to choose candidates that are at least JCanete Dec 2016 #26

She's a favorite of Bannon's for God's sake. Why would we even entertain trusting . . . brush Dec 2016 #42

I think you didn't read my post, where i clearly said, if thats the best we can do in that district La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #46

Missed it. totally with you on that then. Are there those who are doing that, or just those JCanete Dec 2016 #48

She's playing footsie with Trump now. RandySF Dec 2016 #28

Bannon's darling..... (see excerpt from DB above) nt MADem Dec 2016 #35

Bannon's darling..... (see excerpt from DB above) nt MADem Dec 2016 #36

Because Hillary EffieBlack Dec 2016 #39

Actually, I'm with you on that one. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #53

the chair should only remain ONLY as long as it's mathematically possible for someone to win La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #55

In this case, the chair was never neutral even from the start of the race. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #56

i am saying that had she been a clinton supporter your words would be far harsher toward Tulsi La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #62

I'm not a fan of Tulsi. I'm not obligated to vilify her to prove it. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #63

yes, and I am not saying you have to vilify her. it's your attitude towards Cuomo La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #67

Why are you so protective of Andrew Cuomo? Ken Burch Dec 2016 #69

Because he is a sitting governor who is effective at his job La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #71

I haven't made up strange allegations about anyone. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #72

there was no reason for that allegation, not a shred of proof, not a single thing. La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #73

It was a question, not an allegation. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #74

Blaming him for his actions are fair La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #75

Inconsistency is one of the hallmarks of extremism. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #86

K&R Gothmog Dec 2016 #87

Because they don't bother to look at records, they just pick heroes and villains. FSogol Dec 2016 #88

Just like everyone else, Tulsi isn't perfect. I still support her tho NWCorona Dec 2016 #89

That is a reasonable stance La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #90