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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Lots of traditionally alienated and disengaged people turned out for Sanders in the primaries [View all]YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)70. How well would Obama have done without all the white votes that he got that Clinton didn't?
The data implies that Mr. Obama was not as weak among white voters as typically believed. He fared better than his predecessors among white voters outside the South. Demographic shifts werent so important: He would have been re-elected even with an electorate as old and white as it was in 2004. Latino voters did not put Mr. Obama over the top, as many argued in the days after Mr. Obamas re-election. He would have won even if he had done as poorly among Latino voters as John Kerry.
The larger number of white working-class voters implies that Democrats are far more dependent on winning white working-class voters, and therefore more vulnerable to a populist candidate like Mr. Trump.
The larger number of white working-class voters implies that Democrats are far more dependent on winning white working-class voters, and therefore more vulnerable to a populist candidate like Mr. Trump.
Over all, 34 percent of Mr. Obamas supporters were white voters without a college degree, compared with 25 percent in the exit polls, according to an Upshot statistical model that integrated census data, actual results and 15,000 interviews from various pre-election surveys. The model yields a full alternative to the exit polls that assume an older, whiter electorate like the one depicted by the census. (For those interested in the details about our estimates, weve written a technical sidebar.)
Mr. Obamas dependence among white voters might seem surprising in light of the 2012 postelection consensus. But it wont be surprising if you think just a little further back to the pre-election story line. Mr. Obamas advantage heading into the election was thought to be a Midwestern Firewall a big edge in Midwestern battlegrounds where white working-class voters supported the auto bailout and were skeptical of Mr. Romney, who was criticized for his time at Bain Capital.
The pre-election story line was tossed aside when the national exit polls showed an electorate that was even more diverse than it was in 2008, while showing Mr. Obama faring worse among white voters than any Democrat since Walter Mondale in 1984.
But the Upshot analysis shows that all of Mr. Obamas weaknesses were in the South defined as the former Confederacy plus Oklahoma, Missouri, Kentucky and West Virginia where he won just 26 percent.
Outside the South, he won 46 percent of white voters, even running ahead of Mr. Kerry and Al Gore in earlier elections.
Mr. Obamas dependence among white voters might seem surprising in light of the 2012 postelection consensus. But it wont be surprising if you think just a little further back to the pre-election story line. Mr. Obamas advantage heading into the election was thought to be a Midwestern Firewall a big edge in Midwestern battlegrounds where white working-class voters supported the auto bailout and were skeptical of Mr. Romney, who was criticized for his time at Bain Capital.
The pre-election story line was tossed aside when the national exit polls showed an electorate that was even more diverse than it was in 2008, while showing Mr. Obama faring worse among white voters than any Democrat since Walter Mondale in 1984.
But the Upshot analysis shows that all of Mr. Obamas weaknesses were in the South defined as the former Confederacy plus Oklahoma, Missouri, Kentucky and West Virginia where he won just 26 percent.
Outside the South, he won 46 percent of white voters, even running ahead of Mr. Kerry and Al Gore in earlier elections.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/10/upshot/there-are-more-white-voters-than-people-think-thats-good-news-for-trump.html
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Lots of traditionally alienated and disengaged people turned out for Sanders in the primaries [View all]
YoungDemCA
Dec 2016
OP
Yes, the election is over. And yet, judging by many of the threads and posts here
YoungDemCA
Dec 2016
#3
Sanctimonious (self righteousness) isn't welcome, but I still think...
Buckeye_Democrat
Dec 2016
#10
His framing is inherently moral, though, as he focuses on hungry children and people working 2-3
JudyM
Dec 2016
#84
Help me understand this... if we need to have stronger moral grounding, what would be an example?
JudyM
Dec 2016
#87
I don't think many people see income inequality as a problem in itself.
Buckeye_Democrat
Dec 2016
#92
Ok, so the morality argument is that corporations are getting the benefit of education that they are
JudyM
Dec 2016
#94
It wasn't going to be paid by taxpayers... but by a new tax on Wall St speculating.
JudyM
Dec 2016
#100
Well, yeah, especially since that short term speculating isn't great for our economy.
JudyM
Dec 2016
#105
Cool, the guy gets beat up around here by a lot of folks who IMO misunderstand the heart depth
JudyM
Dec 2016
#107
Sanders, in one very rare reference to his religious background did say that his values were what
karynnj
Jan 2017
#133
in the end they preferred the republican by staying home. now that is "f***ing impressive"
msongs
Dec 2016
#5
"what used to be mainstream Democratic core beliefs." YES. This can't be said enough.
dionysus
Dec 2016
#91
Yeah, I remember this young woman in the convention who was yelling and screaming
lunamagica
Dec 2016
#67
Whoever Thought That The People That Went To Those HUUUUUUUge Rallys For Sanders
OldYallow
Dec 2016
#40
Get real. Russia wanted the oligarch -- no way would they have sat on their hands
pnwmom
Dec 2016
#83
Sanders was and still is very impressive. After the primary, he worked hard with Clinton campaign.
Sunlei
Dec 2016
#27
I begged, 'emailed into the void'. I think he was considered as VP for a couple days.
Sunlei
Dec 2016
#58
No one said that. But your first sentence in the second paragraph was confirmed as true.
George II
Dec 2016
#50
How well would Obama have done without all the white votes that he got that Clinton didn't?
YoungDemCA
Dec 2016
#70
It should be about which candidate best represents our values and has the best chance of winning the
JudyM
Dec 2016
#62
I'm sure those Clinton voters would have shown up for Bernie if they had thrown him the nomination..
SaschaHM
Dec 2016
#85
yeah they would have voted for him, if nothing else because of the Supreme Court, but
still_one
Dec 2016
#101
Your post ignores the fact that most voters turned out and voted for Hillary Clinton..
asuhornets
Dec 2016
#115
The "sanctimonious moralizing" isn't a bug, it's a feature, for some folks.
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2016
#121
If you say "you're an idiot if you don't vote for me," you are unlikely to win over those who aren't
yurbud
Dec 2016
#124
I wonder if corporate Democrats ever take that approach with Wall St. or Hollywood donors
yurbud
Dec 2016
#125
Okay the kinder, gentler answer is, don't believe the horseshit you hear on CNN.
ucrdem
Dec 2016
#128
Maybe next time Sanders will run a halfway intelligent campaign and actually win?
Blue_Tires
Jan 2017
#129