2016 Postmortem

The Velveteen Ocelot

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8. We - more accurately, the Democratic party - are making a huge mistake

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 12:26 AM

Dec 2016

if it does not carefully examine with complete objectivity every single factor that could have contributed to a loss that should not have happened. One of the most well-qualified candidates to run for president in years was defeated by an ignorant, bigoted boor who shouldn't have been able to win the dogcatcher election in Bumfuck, Kansas. THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED! Why did it? I don't know, and my opinion wouldn't matter anyhow. BUT: It's absurd to say the Clinton campaign didn't make any mistakes because all campaigns make mistakes. There has never, ever been a perfectly-run campaign, and there has never, ever been a perfect candidate. It is essential to identify those mistakes and determine whether and how they may have contributed to the loss. Maybe they didn't at all; maybe it was entirely the meddling of Comey and the Russians and other external forces. But there should be no sacred cows when it comes to figuring out what happened.

And yes, do whatever is necessary to resist Trump.

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I am so SICK AND FUCKING TIRED of everyone armchair quarterbacking Hillary!!!! [View all] Stonepounder Dec 2016 OP

Count me in! triron Dec 2016 #1

... YoungDemCA Dec 2016 #2

Co-sign onecaliberal Dec 2016 #3

Agreed. LisaM Dec 2016 #4

Me too! MO_Dem Dec 2016 #5

Like you, I just don't listen to it anymore radical noodle Dec 2016 #6

MSM Assholes are attempting to bail Comey out of his responsibility for oasis Dec 2016 #7

Prosecute The Asshole Comey OldYallow Dec 2016 #13

Comey will live with the enormous stain on his reputation. oasis Dec 2016 #15

Only The Poor And Powerless Go To Prison OldYallow Dec 2016 #18

We - more accurately, the Democratic party - are making a huge mistake The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #8

+1000 YoungDemCA Dec 2016 #9

This. n/t ms liberty Dec 2016 #31

You are 100% correct... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #33

We're making a bigger mistake by pretending the fine tooth comb is what we need LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #36

Why not do both? The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #45

Well said and an excellent idea... which is why it prolly won't ever happen, sorry to say. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #39

I'm in the Heretics camp with you. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #65

TOTALLY agree!!! nt Raine Dec 2016 #71

This isn't Hillary's fault. The system failed Hillary. AmericanActivist Dec 2016 #10

I SO AGREE with you! AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #11

Agreed! Phoenix61 Dec 2016 #12

I'm with you, Stonepounder Hekate Dec 2016 #14

And she also lost because James Comey tossed his letter bombs pnwmom Dec 2016 #16

I disagree strongly that she couldn't have predicted it mythology Dec 2016 #34

No question Hillary shuda known better, esply in light of the Rethug's history. Hillary all but admitted as much in her apologizing 4 havin had a private server & explicitly callin it a "mistake". InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #41

She could not have known that they would publicly re-open the closed investigation pnwmom Dec 2016 #60

She could NOT have predicted James Comey's last minute interference pnwmom Dec 2016 #59

Completely agree Curtis Dec 2016 #17

She lost the campaign where it actually happened BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #19

Like the saying goes... those who fail to study history are bound to repeat it. Plain and simple. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #42

And what fomented the loss of Indys, X-Over Reps and Millennials? HRC selecting Kaine over Sanders TheBlackAdder Dec 2016 #72

facts hurt too AlexSFCA Dec 2016 #20

The sick, F-ing so called news networks will blame everything on Hill elmac Dec 2016 #21

Pretty hard to blame someone who never took office. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #46

I'm pissed off that we lost, and we lost more than the presidency killbotfactory Dec 2016 #22

You left out the modems. ucrdem Dec 2016 #23

after election day recount now Dec 2016 #24

I think we need to quit being pissed off about the past primary... C Moon Dec 2016 #25

Channel that anger into opposing the Fuhrer-Elect... what else is there?! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #43

Hillary Clinton is not the President-Elect. So, yes, she did something wrong. Tatiana Dec 2016 #26

Precisely! Hillary was FAR superior to the Fuhrer-Elect, but also FAR from the perfect candidate... we must be realistic in evaluating what went wrong if we want to avoid a repeat in 2020. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #44

It never should have been close enough for there to have been The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #47

Absolutely! This is a very important point. Tatiana Dec 2016 #50

Outside of Comey, Voter suppression and Russia there are no metrics to back up those claims, its jus uponit7771 Dec 2016 #49

This lack of self-reflection will ensure we continue to lose elections. Tatiana Dec 2016 #52

Hillary lost. Period. bowens43 Dec 2016 #27

If we don't understand why voters chose Trump, we cannot move forward. Sienna86 Dec 2016 #28

I don't care how you feel. denbot Dec 2016 #29

The 2016 Post-Mortem forum may not be for you. Orsino Dec 2016 #30

Thank you blue cat Dec 2016 #32

She was supposed to bend over for Putin, because there are motherfuckers who pretend LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #35

HILLARY WAS NOT THE ESTABLISHMENT. THE ESTABLISHMENT WENT AFTER HER FOR 25 YEARS LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #37

Absolutely correct....Hillary did nothing wrong...it was a hacked, stolen, and fraudulent election. Sancho Dec 2016 #38

Russian interference kcdoug1 Dec 2016 #56

The points aren't new, but they are credible... Sancho Dec 2016 #61

It's the fault of the candidate Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #66

Hacked DRE's? and Tabulators ? Reality101 Dec 2016 #63

Please explain how gerrymandering affected the outcome of the presidential election. hughee99 Dec 2016 #64

K&R mcar Dec 2016 #40

K&R Gothmog Dec 2016 #48

Hindsight is 20/20 treestar Dec 2016 #51

knr Squinch Dec 2016 #53

Every year, the time between Christmas and New Years is filled with analysis on the past year karynnj Dec 2016 #54

She chose politics. End of story. George Eliot Dec 2016 #55

Then why do you keep watching it? jberryhill Dec 2016 #57

Truly Me. Dec 2016 #58

Well put! hamsterjill Dec 2016 #62

KnR sheshe2 Dec 2016 #67

I don't mind intelligent analysis or constructive criticism of her campaign ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #68

ignoring calls to check Michigan and her campaign spending okieinpain Dec 2016 #69

Mahalo, Stonepounder Cha Dec 2016 #70