2016 Postmortem

JCanete

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26. nothing is a viable option if we take it off the table, and even luke-warm legislation gets blocked

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 05:05 PM

Dec 2016

by republican obstruction, so what is the point again of pushing for wishy-washy legislation that doesn't energize the people to demand it?

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Bernie did not support getting rid of the ACA BEFORE Medicare for All was passed. [View all] Ken Burch Dec 2016 OP

THANK YOU PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #1

+1000 Duppers Dec 2016 #30

Of course he didn't. After all he voted for the ACA (and if he hadn't it wouldn't have passed... PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #2

Thanks for reminding people of this. Bernie will ALWAYS be looking out for those less fortunate... as sure as the day is long! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #8

Not to mention that he got community health clinics to serve 10 million people as part of the ACA. jfern Dec 2016 #101

Yes but harping on getting rid of ACA supported GOP position that it didn't work. Justice Dec 2016 #3

Medicare for all is not a GOP position portlander23 Dec 2016 #4

you did. GOP is negative on ACA; so was Bernie. Bernie reasons might be different but both negative. Justice Dec 2016 #7

"Medicare for all" is the same as "no health care for anyone who can't pay" portlander23 Dec 2016 #9

? This is the stupidest post of the year ProfessorPlum Dec 2016 #105

Most of us are also "negative" on the ACA... Orsino Dec 2016 #106

The point is that he dishonestly made her out to be a corporate hack/sell-out R B Garr Dec 2016 #5

Got it! yallerdawg Dec 2016 #11

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Wrong, and this kind of dishonesty is what causes the divisiveness. Hillary did not say R B Garr Dec 2016 #16

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Yet he stumped for it all over the United States knowing full well that he R B Garr Dec 2016 #19

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Wrong. Remember when her husband was President and she fought for R B Garr Dec 2016 #34

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She has explained how single payer wasn't viable, R B Garr Dec 2016 #82

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That's laughable you even reference it had R B Garr Dec 2016 #89

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Look, dead is dead. It's not doing the people of VT any good, is it? kcr Dec 2016 #35

She fought for healthcare decades ago, and she R B Garr Dec 2016 #83

This is as silly and dishonest as Trump's 30 years and why haven't you done X argument but TheKentuckian Dec 2016 #49

No, what's silly and dishonest is saying that Bernie has some superpower influence over policy R B Garr Dec 2016 #66

Ha, how ironic that you bother to flesh out the R B Garr Dec 2016 #85

A veto by the governor is NOT the same as "not getting it passed". Ken Burch Dec 2016 #80

Lol, this coming from those who hold the Clintons R B Garr Dec 2016 #84

Bernie got the bill through both houses of the Vermont legislature. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #87

This is just gratuitous Clinton bashing. Speaking of which, why didn't Bernie run R B Garr Dec 2016 #93

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Yeah, the gratuitous and irrational Clinton hating shines R B Garr Dec 2016 #90

Forbes. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #99

Hillary Clinton: Single-payer health care will "never, ever" happen Jopin Klobe Dec 2016 #46

lol, saying it will never happen is far different from Sanders' dishonestly implying R B Garr Dec 2016 #65

she wasn't fighting for single payer any more, and certainly it wasn't part of her platform. how is JCanete Dec 2016 #22

He could not even get single payer passed in his tiny state of Vermont. It's not hard to R B Garr Dec 2016 #24

nothing is a viable option if we take it off the table, and even luke-warm legislation gets blocked JCanete Dec 2016 #26

Ha, wouldn't it be nice if he explained the reality of getting things passed instead of blaming R B Garr Dec 2016 #31

what reality? that we can do something if we all come together to do it? Is that a lie? nt JCanete Dec 2016 #33

Single payer failed in Vermont. That reality. He was unable to get it passed in R B Garr Dec 2016 #36

this is dumb. So he was unable to get it passed. What does that mean to you? If something JCanete Dec 2016 #39

He has no power in VT's state government. Gore1FL Dec 2016 #51

Yet that didn't stop him from maligning Hillary for being up against R B Garr Dec 2016 #63

When diid Sanders suggest it was Clinton's fault for not having it in VT? Gore1FL Dec 2016 #70

Sanders suggested that Hillary was against single payer and he said R B Garr Dec 2016 #71

Clinton said she was against single payer. She's wong. the ACA needs to be replaced with it. Gore1FL Dec 2016 #92

Sorry, but the "arguments" are reality. Bernie didn't get it passed in Vermont and he R B Garr Dec 2016 #96

There is nothing real about the argument presented, Gore1FL Dec 2016 #97

He was asked about this very real failure in a debate question. R B Garr Dec 2016 #98

This! mcar Dec 2016 #23

Wrong. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #74

Bernie said the ACA needed to be replaced, but he knew that single payer was not R B Garr Dec 2016 #75

"Single payer will never ever happen" - Hillary jfern Dec 2016 #102

Bernie couldn't make it happen, so noting it will never happen R B Garr Dec 2016 #103

It didn't fail, the Hillary supporting governor never tried to get it passed. jfern Dec 2016 #108

LMFAO! Lol, the lengths of the Clinton bashing are truly spectacular. R B Garr Dec 2016 #109

Look, Hillary made it quite clear she opposes single payer jfern Dec 2016 #111

Because it's not viable. Same reason it didn't pass in Vermont. R B Garr Dec 2016 #112

A lot of countries have single payer. I don't support "Democrats" who oppose single payer and say jfern Dec 2016 #113

LOL, that's funny, too. How completely self-serving and unrealistic. It doesn't R B Garr Dec 2016 #114

Great job parroting Hillary's "No we can't!" jfern Dec 2016 #115

More hilarity! Bernie should have been honest during his rallies about his failure R B Garr Dec 2016 #116

Give it up, Shumlin was a Hillary supporter, Bernie doesn't magically control jfern Dec 2016 #117

Bernie promoted single payer but couldn't even get it passed in his home state. R B Garr Dec 2016 #118

True, obviously. But what he did do is bash Hillary for not supporting single payer, and for DanTex Dec 2016 #6

pragmatism is what you go for when compromising with the other side. We shouldn't be compromising JCanete Dec 2016 #25

Governing means compromising. The ACA actually did get through congress. DanTex Dec 2016 #27

No she didn't. Name something that was drastic about her plans. nt JCanete Dec 2016 #29

$12 minimum wage. Debt-free college. Huge clean energy investments. Etc. DanTex Dec 2016 #32

12 dollar minimum wage is basic. Its really the bare minimum, and the point is it isn't livable. JCanete Dec 2016 #38

Compared to 7.25 it is drastic. Arguing about 15 vs 12 was one of Bernie's low moments. DanTex Dec 2016 #41

If livable has any bearing, then yes there is a difference, and being hyperbolic all republican JCanete Dec 2016 #43

They are all "livable", the question is the quality of life. DanTex Dec 2016 #44

or between 7 and 12 then for that matter? JCanete Dec 2016 #45

Or between 15 and 20. It's a sliding scale. DanTex Dec 2016 #47

well we know how people survive on 7. They get 2 or 3 jobs. A livable wage implies JCanete Dec 2016 #48

Yes, that's why it needs to be raised. DanTex Dec 2016 #50

Again, a livable wage implies being able to house and feed yourself, and maybe a child JCanete Dec 2016 #53

Depends on the size of the home, and the quality of the food. DanTex Dec 2016 #56

If you make $96 vs $120 a 8 hour work day that's $120 a week. Gore1FL Dec 2016 #52

Not as big as the difference between 15 and 20. DanTex Dec 2016 #54

$15 was established as a livable wage. Gore1FL Dec 2016 #57

By who? DanTex Dec 2016 #58

Apparently Seattle and San Francisco who set the $15 mark. Gore1FL Dec 2016 #60

Why fight for less than 20? DanTex Dec 2016 #62

$15 was the top standard set that I am aware of when the discussion was taking place. Gore1FL Dec 2016 #69

I mentioned 20. Who set 15 as the top standard? DanTex Dec 2016 #72

San Francisco and Seattle came up with those numbers. We already went over that. Gore1FL Dec 2016 #94

He was campaigning not bashing. OrwellwasRight Dec 2016 #37

Apparently doing it Bernie's way is the only way you really care about health, or wage stagnation.. JHan Dec 2016 #64

I don't think that's the point. kcr Dec 2016 #10

If Bernie was the Democratic Candidate padfun Dec 2016 #12

complete bullshit Skittles Dec 2016 #21

He didn't have the Clinton baggage to deal with in a year where political dynasties were rejected. Gore1FL Dec 2016 #55

the "Clinton baggage" was bullshit too Skittles Dec 2016 #61

It apparently wasn't bullshit to the Obama voters who decided to stay home or vote Trump. Gore1FL Dec 2016 #95

That baggage didn't just appear out of thin air, did it? kcr Dec 2016 #100

There were self-inflicted hits that didn't involved bullies Gore1FL Dec 2016 #107

complete disingenuous bullshit truebluegreen Dec 2016 #59

We couldn't have been any worse off, TheCowsCameHome Dec 2016 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author padfun Dec 2016 #78

Are you sure? That's not what Chelsea said. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2016 #14

Well, yes, we knew this. PatrickforO Dec 2016 #15

Great post! tosh Dec 2016 #67

Thank you. K&R nt zentrum Dec 2016 #17

In order to win again.... Mustellus Dec 2016 #20

The campaign is over elmac Dec 2016 #42

Agreed. The only reason I started this thread Ken Burch Dec 2016 #110

Thank you Bernie for having our backs once again. jalan48 Dec 2016 #68

Thank you Ken. CentralMass Dec 2016 #73

The agenda is clear to many. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #76

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Thanks Ken. K&R nt riderinthestorm Dec 2016 #104