2016 Postmortem

Phoenix61

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5. I'm in a Deep South red state

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 09:25 PM

Dec 2016

and that pretty much sums it up. No matter how much I tried to convince them they were wrong, they just smiled and called me a liberal. Oh yeah, and explained they saw it on the news. Guess which one? And the winner is.... Fox!!!

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I grew up in a very red, rural community in the midwest. [View all] yardwork Dec 2016 OP

And a corporate, conservative media that promotes the false equivalence argument, guillaumeb Dec 2016 #1

Correct. yardwork Dec 2016 #3

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #9

I agree. I saw and heard it. yardwork Dec 2016 #14

Many claiming to be our side did one hell of a hatchet job on Hillary. oasis Dec 2016 #28

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #31

"Voted for Hillary"? Only they know if they even voted at all. oasis Dec 2016 #37

No freakin' kidding! calimary Dec 2016 #105

You are so right on!! Angry Dragon Dec 2016 #96

Similar background, but it's simpler than that - they are stupid. That's why they believe that junk. Hoyt Dec 2016 #2

We're supposed to reach out to these folks, Hoyt! yardwork Dec 2016 #4

I hear you, but it's a waste of time, sorry. Hoyt Dec 2016 #6

Yeah, I was being sarcastic. It is indeed a waste of time. yardwork Dec 2016 #7

Salt of the Earth Hunter Rose Dec 2016 #87

I'm in a Deep South red state Phoenix61 Dec 2016 #5

I'm not sure how we can reach the brainwashed and willfully ignorant. yardwork Dec 2016 #8

I found a way to get through to the ones that do not know me! Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #43

Good job! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #82

that's the way to do i! Locrian Dec 2016 #86

Good tactic lunatica Dec 2016 #109

Welcome to DU, Phoenix61! calimary Dec 2016 #108

Thanks for the welcome Phoenix61 Dec 2016 #116

Yes, yes, and yes! radical noodle Dec 2016 #118

Okay, well, this is MOST instructive information, radical noodle. calimary Dec 2016 #129

Know your enemy radical noodle Jan 2017 #135

One-point-six MILLION shares. calimary Jan 2017 #150

No doubt about it radical noodle Jan 2017 #151

There are a lot of stupid a$$ people who are gullible to lies kimbutgar Dec 2016 #10

Thank you! betsuni Dec 2016 #11

I heard comments of that sort from a surprising number The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #12

Please share your theory. Here's mine: yardwork Dec 2016 #13

That's a big part of it, I think. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #15

No politician is pure. yardwork Dec 2016 #17

True. But Hillary's impurities seemed to count against her The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #20

Confirmation bias. People believe what they want to believe. yardwork Dec 2016 #22

Maureen Dowd... JHan Dec 2016 #30

Women have always been required to be more "virtuous" than men. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #32

Yep. +100000 JHan Dec 2016 #40

Agree Canoe52 Dec 2016 #48

If she'd been caught on tape bragging about The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #50

You have nailed it. LuckyLib Dec 2016 #57

Absolutely. Did Biden/Kerry/Edwards/Gore get crucified by the left over the Welfare Reform Bill? ehrnst Dec 2016 #90

Exactly. Or the 1994 Crime Bill, which Sanders actually voted for. nt SunSeeker Dec 2016 #99

But, but, but.... Bernie didn't mean it!!! Hillary was sleeping with Bill at the time!!! (nt) ehrnst Dec 2016 #124

neither Gore nor Edwards voted for that bill dsc Dec 2016 #132

Thanks - Gore was head of the Senate, and was smiling in the photo of it being signed.(nt) ehrnst Jan 2017 #145

Here is a good article about HRC's speeches. StevieM Dec 2016 #46

Yes, it seems to give credence to the theory that if you repeat a lie whathehell Dec 2016 #102

This DURHAM D Dec 2016 #18

But they're willing to set aside that feeling to vote against the woman. yardwork Dec 2016 #19

yes, guns was a big part of the anit-H vote that is rarely discussed Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #34

This. Nearly half of America is conservative Christian, built on misogyny. Crash2Parties Dec 2016 #21

The country was founded on two great crimes: theft of land from its KingCharlemagne Dec 2016 #59

You've nailed it, and this election of trump proves it will always be so. trump voters fell back . . brush Dec 2016 #91

The racism was "necessary" to maintain high profits. So was the revolution. Crash2Parties Dec 2016 #130

Sorry, but Christianity is no more "built on misogny" than Judaism or Islam whathehell Dec 2016 #84

Seriously? They're all built on it. Guess you never heard of hijabs? brush Dec 2016 #92

Yes, seriously...Thanks for making my point, lol. whathehell Dec 2016 #97

Adam and Eve. Also, in terms of sex/gender the Catholic Church is damn conservative Crash2Parties Dec 2016 #131

The Book of Genesis which contains the Adam & Eve story is part of Judaism whathehell Jan 2017 #136

Misogyny played a large role in this election Gothmog Dec 2016 #106

mommy issues. mopinko Dec 2016 #53

Similar here. tammywammy Dec 2016 #121

Yeah, I deal with these people, too. herding cats Dec 2016 #16

Yep not fooled Dec 2016 #52

Well said and described, not fooled. Cha Dec 2016 #66

No progressive I ever zentrum Dec 2016 #23

Just because you didn't hear it doesn't mean it didn't exist. yardwork Dec 2016 #24

Exactly, yardwork... I've seen it all too often. No FACTS whatsoever Cha Dec 2016 #67

+1000 progressoid Dec 2016 #27

There were plenty of people who were legitimately concerned The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #29

You might want to check out ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #36

Thank you for bringing that into the light, Nance.. it really is mind Cha Dec 2016 #69

I knew plenty who spread lies from usuncut La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #45

"Fake left" news is zentrum Dec 2016 #47

Ahh ok. I meant the types of people who call themselves La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #49

You must be new here. brush Dec 2016 #94

As a matter of fact zentrum Dec 2016 #113

You're probably right. All those "corrupt, crooked and corporate whore remarks" must ... brush Dec 2016 #126

So they're extremely gullible. milestogo Dec 2016 #25

Confirmation bias. They were looking for excuses. yardwork Dec 2016 #26

yes, also, she wanted your GUNS!!! Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #33

Funny thing, Obama was supposed to have taken them The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #39

it's almost like the rightwing just believes pure bullshit Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #41

Far too many people are completely incapable of critical thinking. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2016 #35

Im sure progressives probably do spread false hoods but lancelyons Dec 2016 #38

You forgot a power hungry, "will do anything" woman for the Presidency. DawgHouse Dec 2016 #42

Was this before Obama took their guns and turned them gay IronLionZion Dec 2016 #44

But there are rural, very red communities in the Midwest Oldtimeralso Dec 2016 #55

Absolutely my experience in the rural west and southwest Tumbulu Dec 2016 #51

Meanwhile Hillary Clinton was born in the Midwest (Chicago), and served initially in the South.... George II Dec 2016 #54

It suprises me everytime I see someone on FaceBook say C Moon Dec 2016 #56

I suspect that people believed all of these lies because they were already biased against Clinton. Willie Pep Dec 2016 #58

This really, REALLY, deserves to be its own OP and receive wide exposure. The KingCharlemagne Dec 2016 #61

I've thought about your points a lot. I've decided that I need to speak up more often. yardwork Jan 2017 #143

I would be surprised if these people could fine Benghazi on a map MrScorpio Dec 2016 #60

Yep. I tried to convince people on some local online forums a few months ago... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #62

And, in the final analysis... ailsagirl Dec 2016 #63

That, and RUSSIA, because it can't be overstated that less than 1% in most swing LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #64

Thank you for this, yardwork! I've overheard similar Cha Dec 2016 #65

I've heard people say about Hillary... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #70

They want to believe it.. they're repubs and it's easier to Cha Dec 2016 #72

They weren't always Republican, though. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #73

I know.. the m$m has done a thorough job of getting Cha Dec 2016 #74

I'm pleased that MOST people voted for her! Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #75

I know.. right there with ya.. we were all shocked, literally, Cha Dec 2016 #80

Yeah. It was more shocking than Dumbya being elected twice for me. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #81

I actually think that Comey did more than just tip a narrow race one way as opposed to the other. StevieM Jan 2017 #144

It boiled down to this? Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #78

Indeed not fooled Dec 2016 #100

Critical thinking and facts... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #101

Great meme Gothmog Dec 2016 #127

What a great thread. Can't rec it enough. This reminds R B Garr Dec 2016 #68

Another thing especially to your last sentence.... R B Garr Dec 2016 #71

+1 Hekate Dec 2016 #77

For crying out loud he treated her with kid gloves. I suppose he was supposed to coddle her? dionysus Dec 2016 #79

Like the time he said she was not qualified for office? La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #83

Actually you are wrong-it was the Clinton campaign who handle Sanders with kid gloves Gothmog Dec 2016 #133

Hillary Clinton did not attack Sanders because his supporters over-reacted Gothmog Jan 2017 #134

They both acted poorly on that one. Booing the guy was rude. It was also low dionysus Jan 2017 #149

In reality, Bernie was the one coddled, mostly because he was not vetted. R B Garr Jan 2017 #146

K&R Jamaal510 Dec 2016 #76

Why do millions of people believe these blatant falsehoods? hamsterjill Dec 2016 #85

I've heard all of the above. Details are always vague. blue cat Dec 2016 #88

I think that plenty of damning fiction could have been easily created about other Dem candidates ehrnst Dec 2016 #89

Like the song says TNNurse Dec 2016 #93

It is those who style themselves BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #95

Not just rural red places-- low info voters were at least hearing these fake stories everywhere andym Dec 2016 #98

I have personally experienced these people and you are correct. Eliot Rosewater Dec 2016 #103

Good OP, yardwork. brer cat Dec 2016 #104

No, The Systems Not Totally Rigged. But That Idea Sure Helped Donald Trump. Gothmog Dec 2016 #107

Except its NOT a bogus claim LiberalLovinLug Dec 2016 #114

Sanders was rejected soundly by Jewish, African and Latino votes Gothmog Dec 2016 #120

"Sanders helped get trump elected" LiberalLovinLug Dec 2016 #123

In the real world in past primary contests, the candidates were all actual members of the party Gothmog Dec 2016 #128

Sanders was absolutely right, he needed to run as a Democrat LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #142

So you are proud of Sanders efforts to get Trump elected Gothmog Jan 2017 #153

I can't argue with someone with such a vicious predetermined opinion LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #154

Then prove me wrong- the facts are clear that Sanders helped elect trump Gothmog Jan 2017 #157

Bernie's platform was unrealistic and there was no revolution Gothmog Jan 2017 #158

You're confused LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #159

There is so much wrong in this post that it is hard to pick Gothmog Jan 2017 #160

So once again...you do not believe that the system is rigged at all in favor of the wealthy? LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #162

I was a delegate to the national convention Gothmog Jan 2017 #163

The DNC had nothing to do with the fact that Jewish, African American and Latino voters rejected Gothmog Jan 2017 #161

Because they read the Enquirer dreamland Dec 2016 #110

I have to say sammcgee68 Dec 2016 #111

I'm with you. Way too much Sanders, and Sander supporters, bashing LiberalLovinLug Dec 2016 #112

Did you mean to respond to my OP? I said nothing about Sanders. yardwork Dec 2016 #117

+1000 n2doc Dec 2016 #119

No offense, sam, but this is called hijacking a thread mtnsnake Jan 2017 #138

Thank you. My OP is not directed at Sanders or the primaries. yardwork Jan 2017 #141

"We live in a world of radical ignorance" Robert Proctor CousinIT Dec 2016 #115

Heard a similar story just today DeminPennswoods Dec 2016 #122

They heard that "flawed" argument radical noodle Dec 2016 #125

"Because millions of people deliberately spread the lies" mtnsnake Jan 2017 #137

Thanks! I did leave out the gun issue by accident. The NRA was busy this year. yardwork Jan 2017 #140

Thank you, everyone, for your responses. yardwork Jan 2017 #139

"They don't know or care what the word deplorable means." Goblinmonger Jan 2017 #147

It's a statement of fact, based on my personal experience. yardwork Jan 2017 #148

These people can believe ellie Jan 2017 #152

She abdicated for 2/3 of the year. She never showed up to campaign in Swing States. libdem4life Jan 2017 #155

From what I understand 80k Red votes in one state, equals 2 million Blue votes in another state. Rex Jan 2017 #156