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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Finding common ground. Can most all of us agree about the following: [View all]JCanete
(5,272 posts)23. maybe some of us are capital-A Americans. The Democratic party is good so long as it is actually
good, not simply by virtue of being the Democratic Party. I say let's keep it good and make it better.
I'm not sure why you think that organizations of people are innately good. That's just not the way they work. They are only as good as what the people in them fight for them to be. That goes for our nation too. Just as people write off Black Lives Matter or Kaepernick for kneeling during the National Anthem in the "Best Country on Earth," as ungrateful, you would like to do the same for people who push for a more liberal Democratic party, but nobody has ever gotten anything without pushing and fighting. All of those metrics these people use to justify "greatest country on earth," no matter how flawed the premise might be, exist because of people who have fought to get more equality and rights for themselves and for their brothers and sisters.
You insist that everybody who is dissatisfied with the current Democratic Party is an interloper or simply a hater, and that just isn't the case.
Republicans permanently succeed if we continue to play by big money's rules. Being the less corporate option will always be a solid backup for the rich and powerful, but they will always put more weight behind their true love. Either we do as the OP suggested and start fighting that corporate messaging-- and I say label it as such--or we can count on being the minority party until there's no nation left to capitulate in.
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Finding common ground. Can most all of us agree about the following: [View all]
Garrett78
Dec 2016
OP
Well said- the people who started that shit here turned out to be a bunch of trolls for Trump....
bettyellen
Dec 2016
#24
neither your analysis nor your solution rate as something we can all agree upon. nt
JCanete
Dec 2016
#18
maybe some of us are capital-A Americans. The Democratic party is good so long as it is actually
JCanete
Dec 2016
#23
Don't even start with that RW "Democrats are the same as Republicans" bullshit.
baldguy
Dec 2016
#30
not what I said. In fact nothing you said addressed my issues with the Democratic Party or
JCanete
Dec 2016
#32
fuck that, you are still avoiding pointing it out. That is simply cowardice. Either admit you were
JCanete
Dec 2016
#38
If you can't see what you're doing, then you're too far down the GOP's garden path to save.
baldguy
Dec 2016
#40
You're being pretty shameless. If you really just didn't want to bother because this is a waste of
JCanete
Dec 2016
#41
Oh I see, it's New Years! Hope the hangover isn't too rough on you. I assure you, we're both
JCanete
Jan 2017
#44
Some people seem to think that the first step in defeating the fascist Republicans
baldguy
Dec 2016
#37
Agree with almost all but #4 could backfire. Drawing the ire of the media at large can
dionysus
Dec 2016
#10
The media is RW owned, they'll suck it up from the rethugs. Either they are RW owned or
dionysus
Dec 2016
#12
but they don't actually bend over backwards to avoid that tag...that's the irony. They sell
JCanete
Dec 2016
#17
it will but there is no choice. Going after corporations is also a way of drawing ire of the media.
JCanete
Dec 2016
#16
Agree almost entirely, with the caveat that we can't just pretend the media does spectacle and false
JCanete
Dec 2016
#15