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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Why draw a distinction between the working class and the white working class? [View all]Garrett78
(10,721 posts)77. I'm not satisfied with the party as a whole when it comes to this issue.
But I think Clinton's answer at the Iowa Black and Brown Forum was a solid response. It's the sort of response I had in mind when I wrote what I did in post #46 regarding the viability of "reparations."
I'm also reminded of what Jackie Robinson wrote to Eisenhower:
I was sitting in the audience at the Summit Meeting of Negro Leaders yesterday when you said we must have patience. On hearing you say this, I felt like standing up and saying, "Oh no! Not again."
I respectfully remind you sir, that we have been the most patient of all people. When you said we must have self-respect, I wondered how we could have self-respect and remain patient considering the treatment accorded us through the years.
17 million Negroes cannot do as you suggest and wait for the hearts of men to change. We want to enjoy now the rights that we feel we are entitled to as Americans.
I respectfully remind you sir, that we have been the most patient of all people. When you said we must have self-respect, I wondered how we could have self-respect and remain patient considering the treatment accorded us through the years.
17 million Negroes cannot do as you suggest and wait for the hearts of men to change. We want to enjoy now the rights that we feel we are entitled to as Americans.
The problem is a lot of folks seem to think the playing field is now level. From an article by Tim Wise:
So it was no surprise to read yet another poll, indicating that whites largely dont think racial discrimination remains a big problem, and that whites and blacks continue to view issues of race far differently. According to the recent Gallup Survey on Black-White Relations, seven of ten whites believe blacks are treated equally in their communities; eight in ten say blacks receive equal educational opportunities, and 83 percent say blacks receive equal housing opportunities. Only a third of whites believe blacks face racial bias from police in their areas. Despite the fact that half of all blacks say they have experienced discrimination in the past month, whites persist in believing that we know their realities better than they do, and that black complaints of racism are the rantings of racial hypochondriacs. Blacks, we believe, make mountains out of molehills, for Lord knows we would never make a molehill out of a mountain!
That white perceptions regarding the extent of racial bias are rooted in ignorance is made clear by a number of important facts. First, as will be shown below, there is the evidence indicating that equal opportunity is the stuff of fiction, not documentary; and secondly, the simple truth is, white perceptions of racisms salience have always been splendidly naive. Indeed, as far back as 1963, before there was a Civil Rights Act to outlaw even the most blatant racial discrimination, sixty percent of whites said that blacks were treated equally in their communities. In 1962, only eight years after the Brown decision outlawed segregation in the nations schools (but well before schools had moved to integrate or equalize their classrooms), a stunning eighty-four percent of whites were convinced that blacks had equal educational opportunity. In other words, white denial of the racism problem is nothing new: it was entrenched even when this nation operated under a formal system of apartheid.
That white perceptions regarding the extent of racial bias are rooted in ignorance is made clear by a number of important facts. First, as will be shown below, there is the evidence indicating that equal opportunity is the stuff of fiction, not documentary; and secondly, the simple truth is, white perceptions of racisms salience have always been splendidly naive. Indeed, as far back as 1963, before there was a Civil Rights Act to outlaw even the most blatant racial discrimination, sixty percent of whites said that blacks were treated equally in their communities. In 1962, only eight years after the Brown decision outlawed segregation in the nations schools (but well before schools had moved to integrate or equalize their classrooms), a stunning eighty-four percent of whites were convinced that blacks had equal educational opportunity. In other words, white denial of the racism problem is nothing new: it was entrenched even when this nation operated under a formal system of apartheid.
Democrats, including Clinton if she ever plans on campaigning for other Democrats in the future, need to do a better job of addressing institutional/structural racism and how it is used to divide and conquer. White Democrats (and young people) need to get that it's the thing itself that is divisive, not addressing the thing. That's not an easy task, but it's both possible and necessary. The evils of our past continue to haunt the present, and there are plenty of evils of the present, as well. The US has never properly addressed those evils. The disparities in wealth, health, criminal justice, access to housing and so on *must* finally get the attention and eradication they deserve.
I know this is already a long post, but let me add what the UN Working Group of Experts on People of African Descent concluded upon visiting the US this past year:
"In particular, the legacy of colonial history, enslavement, racial subordination and segregation, racial terrorism and racial inequality in the United States remains a serious challenge, as there has been no real commitment to reparations and to truth and reconciliation for people of African descent," the report stated. "Contemporary police killings and the trauma that they create are reminiscent of the past racial terror of lynching."
Citing the past year's spate of police officers killing unarmed African American men, the panel warned against "impunity for state violence," which has created, in its words, a "human rights crisis" that "must be addressed as a matter of urgency."
The panel drew its recommendations, which are nonbinding and unlikely to influence Washington, after a fact-finding mission in the United States in January. At the time, it hailed the strides taken to make the American criminal justice system more equitable but pointed to the corrosive legacy of the past.
"Despite substantial changes since the end of the enforcement of Jim Crow and the fight for civil rights, ideology ensuring the domination of one group over another, continues to negatively impact the civil, political, economic, social and cultural rights of African Americans today," it said in a statement. "The dangerous ideology of white supremacy inhibits social cohesion amongst the US population."
Citing the past year's spate of police officers killing unarmed African American men, the panel warned against "impunity for state violence," which has created, in its words, a "human rights crisis" that "must be addressed as a matter of urgency."
The panel drew its recommendations, which are nonbinding and unlikely to influence Washington, after a fact-finding mission in the United States in January. At the time, it hailed the strides taken to make the American criminal justice system more equitable but pointed to the corrosive legacy of the past.
"Despite substantial changes since the end of the enforcement of Jim Crow and the fight for civil rights, ideology ensuring the domination of one group over another, continues to negatively impact the civil, political, economic, social and cultural rights of African Americans today," it said in a statement. "The dangerous ideology of white supremacy inhibits social cohesion amongst the US population."
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Why draw a distinction between the working class and the white working class? [View all]
Garrett78
Jan 2017
OP
Because black voters vote solid Dem ticket regardless of any demographic subsets
HoneyBadger
Jan 2017
#1
HoneyBadger's reply clearly suggests that black voters can be taken for granted.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#7
Gore won 90%, Kerry won 88%, Obama won 96% in 2008, 93% in 2012 and Clinton won 88%.
HoneyBadger
Jan 2017
#6
So, black voters should just be written off as "ungettable"- while white voters who vote Republican
EffieBlack
Jan 2017
#37
Because they need to feel better than somebody and it's a tacit acknowledgment
elehhhhna
Jan 2017
#38
And we all know this. A white backlash has been building, as it has throughout US history,...
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#20
I'm nor interested in "winning over" racists. They're welcome if they change their tunes.
MADem
Jan 2017
#32
I agree. And I think it's worth remembering that well-to-do POC often get mistreated in our society.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#35
Historical injustice continues to impact the present. So, no, those owed are not all dead.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#46
I think this is an important point. See post #20. We need to change the narrative.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#22
I'm sure that the Republicans set out to claim those midwesterners. They succeeded.
yardwork
Jan 2017
#24
And she undoubtedly received millions of votes from working class whites. So...
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#15
But we must recognize that not everyone drawing the distinction is doing so maliciously.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#25
I think it is the result of that demographic being one that we got clobbered in. I think we need to
JCanete
Jan 2017
#28
Democrats already speak to the working class and win among the working class.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#29
I think they care more than you think. They are inundated by bullshit about who is making their
JCanete
Jan 2017
#31
I didn't suggest they don't care, just that white identity is a major factor for that segment.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#34
Only the white working class is lectured about their 'white privilege' by liberals
Dems to Win
Jan 2017
#41
Generalizing is being done by those suggesting all working class whites voted for Trump.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#43
A white person working for WalMart for $10/hour is privileged compared to a similarly situated POC
EffieBlack
Jan 2017
#51
Sanders positions was refuted a year ago, all PoC being rich STILL wouldn't eliminate racist effects
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#82
lol...somehow "us" insulting makes a fuckin difference?! That's a RWTP and not even close to reality
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#83
lol, that's like saying the justice system is not unfair to black people because OJ Simpson got free
JI7
Jan 2017
#62
It's a broadly used term, and different people will have, or not have, any intent behind it.
dionysus
Jan 2017
#47
It clarifies a political reality, like making a distinction between Evangelicals...
Buckeye_Democrat
Jan 2017
#59
I'm not saying you do. But that's what's so nasty about dog whistling and implicit bias.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#66
And now that I've read all of the Fusion article, I can certainly recommend it to others.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#71
Most Americans don't view reparations on the same footing as current problems.
Buckeye_Democrat
Jan 2017
#79
As I said, it's not an easy sell, but it needs to be done. The framing is key.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#80