2016 Postmortem

karynnj

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Mon Jan 2, 2017, 07:06 PM

Jan 2017

I cleaned it up a bit and made it a thread. I suspect that because I am in a distinct minority on the trade deals it will likely be flamed, if not ignored.

Because I once knew people who were in part of the rust belt, I have been trying to understand how people I knew to be basically good people could have ignored how completely despicable and unsuited Trump is. In this, I am not helped by my family - my parents, all 9 of us kids plus significant others and our voting age kids ALL voted for HRC.

This was so close that there are likely 10s of causes - all of which could have caused it. This does - like 2000 and 2004 include the long term effort to make it harder to vote. A sister in Durham NC spent an hour in line to vote early - knowing the lines would be impossible on election day. This while it took me only 15 minutes in Burlington - and that because I knew 3 people working the polls and ran into a few neighbors as well! In suburban NJ, it was also extremely easy.

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Democrats are not alienating white working class people from the democratic party nor [View all] boston bean Dec 2016 OP

The people who voted for Trump were all racists who are hopeless Gothmog Dec 2016 #1

Rolling out your version of "facts" I see..."are all hopeless." What facts did you use to determine JCanete Dec 2016 #3

Thought many of those deplorables voted for Obama... what does that tell you? InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #53

When Obama ran in 2008 True_Blue Jan 2017 #59

There are certainly some DUers trying to alienate white working class voters NobodyHere Dec 2016 #2

A segment of the white working class has different priorities than the working class as a whole. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #4

I have family in rust belt states jzodda Dec 2016 #5

How is Trump going to bring back "Union jobs" Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2016 #7

Well I think we already know how he will bring jobs back jzodda Dec 2016 #8

Me too Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2016 #9

There was no openly racist people running against Obama, tribalism works uponit7771 Jan 2017 #55

Bull fucking shit. MicaelS Dec 2016 #6

You aren't the base of the party anymore. Deal with it. Also the WWC is a bullshit meme bettyellen Dec 2016 #11

Um, I'm a POC but I still want working class voters to vote Democrat... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #13

I don't know if you are willing to go into their all bettyellen Dec 2016 #14

I understand your fears... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #15

There is just a huge amount of people staying home and sadly I think it's because of the bettyellen Dec 2016 #16

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2017 #20

Aww the revenge of the slighted white man, how telling you defend his ego driven vote. Fuck that. bettyellen Jan 2017 #47

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2017 #48

We lost for a lot of reasons, none being we didn't win over the people who hated Obama and Hillary bettyellen Jan 2017 #49

"wonder why 'you' lose"? revmclaren Jan 2017 #54

Good way to influence people and make friends. No wonder "the message" isn't resonating... dionysus Jan 2017 #64

Are you somehow confused that Dems campaigned against the "WWC"? bettyellen Jan 2017 #67

I'm observing the attitude of posters here, not what was campaigned on. dionysus Jan 2017 #68

If our Party doesn't break it's addiction to corporate money we will not be able to Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #29

The chair isn't installed or "made". lapucelle Jan 2017 #39

I did not say that Hillary was corrupt. Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #46

I think Americans are fine with corruption if they think they get a benefit. That's the lesson. bettyellen Jan 2017 #51

Oh please. Polls showed this was about immigration and terrorism. Not economics. bettyellen Jan 2017 #50

Didn't they alienate themselves by choosing trump? They know he's disgusting in so many ways brush Jan 2017 #36

You mean "fuck off you racist piece of shit, we don't need you!11!" won't dionysus Jan 2017 #66

The Trump voters alienated me, too. hamsterjill Dec 2016 #10

Low information, deplorable dipshits can kiss my ass. nt oasis Dec 2016 #12

Right. Who alienated who? When they started voting for Republicans they abandoned America. baldguy Jan 2017 #17

Great! With our wonderful showing nationwide in the last election we don't need them anyway! jalan48 Jan 2017 #18

The "White Working Class" is racist bullshit. baldguy Jan 2017 #21

Looks like 2018 is going to be even better! jalan48 Jan 2017 #22

Next up: Fighting against the "International Bankers" for that "White Working Class". baldguy Jan 2017 #23

Yep! It's definitely a slippery slope we go down at our own peril. jalan48 Jan 2017 #24

You seem to be rooting for it. baldguy Jan 2017 #25

Rooting? I'm rooting for more Democratic election victories in 2018. How about you? jalan48 Jan 2017 #26

You're rooting for Democratic election victories by joyfully using RW memes that divide Democrats? baldguy Jan 2017 #27

RW memes? Tell me more. jalan48 Jan 2017 #28

Oh, no you're doing fine by yourself. baldguy Jan 2017 #31

You seem angry. Let's focus on 2018. That's what's important. jalan48 Jan 2017 #32

Let's start by stopping the use of RW talking points to attack Democrats, shall we? baldguy Jan 2017 #34

You have mentioned "Right Wing talking points" several times now in reference to my posts. jalan48 Jan 2017 #35

What thread are you in? The phrase "White Working Class" is a racist RW talking point. baldguy Jan 2017 #37

I was talking about Democrats winning elections. I thought we all wanted that. jalan48 Jan 2017 #40

Using RW talking points to attack Democrats doesn't help Democrats win elections. baldguy Jan 2017 #43

I am fuckin angry at RWTP... we should all be no? tia uponit7771 Jan 2017 #56

I agree. It's about the "Working Class". Main Street not wall Street! jalan48 Jan 2017 #58

Really? whathehell Jan 2017 #30

Then you haven't been paying attention. baldguy Jan 2017 #33

I've been paying plenty of attention.. whathehell Jan 2017 #38

The reason it's code is that the working class is not just whites. That classification, when . . . brush Jan 2017 #41

It's more than that. It's a dog whistle to imply persons of color don't work. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #42

YES! That too, very good point brush Jan 2017 #44

Bingo & bingo. baldguy Jan 2017 #45

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #57

So done with them True_Blue Jan 2017 #19

Of course that is alienating. How the media covers this shit is one thing, and in that context your JCanete Jan 2017 #52

I am stunned that so many people overlooked ALL the completely obvious moral flaws in Trump karynnj Jan 2017 #60

You should make this an OP. I appreciate the time and thought that went into your post. Thank you boston bean Jan 2017 #62

Thanks karynnj Jan 2017 #63

Had a friend who told me that any white male who liked guns voted for Trump ismnotwasm Jan 2017 #61

Reading DU, i would say you're very incorrect. You can't call people racist pieces of shit, tell em dionysus Jan 2017 #65