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Gothmog

(154,470 posts)
8. Your analysis ignores valid reasons why voters rejected Sanders in the primary
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 09:14 AM
Jan 2017

Your analysis ignores that there were good and valid reasons for voters to reject and vote against Sanders. A large percentage of the Democratic base rejected Sanders in part because his policies were unrealistic and due to Sanders attacks on President Obama. . Sanders proposals are not realistic and would have no chance in the real world where the GOP would block such pie in the sky proposals. Sanders justify his platform by promising a revolution where millions and millions of voters would show up and force the GOP to be reasonable. That revolution exists only in a fantasy world and has not been evident in the real world http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/articles/2016-04-15/bernie-sanders-bad-delegate-math-and-fantasy-revolution

He went on to argue that he's going to win because he'll pile up votes now that the contest has moved out of the Deep South. This is a shorthand version of an argument that Sanders and his allies have been deploying recently in an attempt to downplay Clinton's lead in pledged delegates – "having so many Southern states go first kind of distorts reality" he told Larry Wilmore, host of "The Nightly Show," earlier this week.

There's a lot wrong with this formulation, as Paul Krugman wrote in The New York Times this morning. It suggests a world view redolent of former half-term Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's toxic pandering to "real America." In Sanders' case, he's saying that red-state Democrats should be discounted because they're too conservative. But that's simply wrong, Krugman notes: Clinton isn't "riding a wave of support from old-fashioned Confederate-flag-waving Dixiecrats," she ran up the score by scoring lopsided victories among black voters ("let's be blunt, the descendants of slaves," he writes).

And the fact that the Deep South is conservative should be irrelevant, given that Sanders argues the principle obstacle to his super progressive agenda is campaign finance corruption rather than, say, ideology. Either he's leading a national movement, as he claims, or he's not.

Thus more broadly, his attempt to delegitimize a swath of voters lays bare a fundamental inconsistency of the Sanders campaign: One of his basic answers about how he's going to accomplish his aims – whether winning the Democratic nod, winning the general election or enacting his agenda – is the forthcoming revolution. His super-ambitious agenda will prove to be achievable substance rather than unicorns-and-rainbows fantasy, he said Thursday night, "when millions of people stand up, fight back and create a government that works for all of us, not just the 1 percent. That is what the political revolution is about. That is what this campaign is about."

And that's fine: If he can summon the revolution, then more power to him, literally and figuratively. But the Sanders revolution is breaking on the hard realities of math. The revolution will not be televised, the old song goes; but it can be fantasized – and it can be measured, in votes and delegates. And in every calculable respect, it's coming up short. That leaves Sanders to bank on an anti-democratic sleight of hand to secure the nomination. That's not a broad-based revolution; that's a palace coup.

Here's why: Despite Sanders' recent string of victories, there is no sense in which he is winning this race. As The Washington Post's Philip Bump wrote earlier this week:

In fact, by every possible democratic measure, Clinton is winning. She's winning in states (and territories) won, which isn't a meaningful margin of victory anyway. She's winning in the popular vote by 2.4 million votes – more than a third more than Sanders has in total. In part that's because Sanders is winning lower-turnout caucuses, but it's mostly because he's winning smaller states. And she's winning with both types of delegates.

Sanders' revolution was not real which is why he lost the race in the real world. I and many other Democratic voters never took Sanders seriously because I never accepted the premise of his so-called revolution. There was simply no way for Sanders to come close to delivering on his promises in the real world. Sanders never generated his promised revolution and could not deliver on his promises in the real world
Please tell me more Botany Jan 2017 #1
WTF is THAT sposed to mean!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #4
I was wondering that myself n/t. ogradda Jan 2017 #25
I think I love you. cyclonefence Jan 2017 #26
On this morning's breakfast menu we are featuring TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #2
The McDonald Big Breakfast! shraby Jan 2017 #3
That was my first thought.. Cha Jan 2017 #5
Wow, mention the name Bernie Sanders and the snark really comes out. Sad. monmouth4 Jan 2017 #6
So.... Laurian Jan 2017 #7
I wasn't stating a solution to the sexism problem - just an observation. Joe941 Jan 2017 #9
And it's way past time to confront it. Laurian Jan 2017 #10
Your analysis ignores valid reasons why voters rejected Sanders in the primary Gothmog Jan 2017 #8
I doubt sexism is a problem for the democratic primary voters... Joe941 Jan 2017 #11
Sanders was on the ballot in 2016 and under performed Clinton Gothmog Jan 2017 #14
Thank you, Goth, "Bernie Sanders Was On The 2016 Ballot  And He Underperformed Hillary Clinton" Cha Jan 2017 #16
Sanders would have been destroyed by trump in the general election Gothmog Jan 2017 #17
He may have lost to Trump but I doubt he would have been destroyed. kickitup Jan 2017 #27
Thanks for your posts, Gothmog! BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #46
Thank you for your post Gothmog Jan 2017 #47
Good, factual post. And it might help if Sanders worked on his revolution now instead of . . . brush Jan 2017 #32
Sanders was rejected by Jewish, African American and Latino voters Gothmog Jan 2017 #36
What's up with that? Those voters are a big part of the base. His obsession with WWC cost him ... brush Jan 2017 #37
Sanders' whole campaign was based on a so-called revolution that never materialized Gothmog Jan 2017 #48
I don't know what you hoped accomplished by creating this thread... SharonClark Jan 2017 #12
So Hillary shouldn't have run because she is a woman mcar Jan 2017 #13
I didn't say that. I'm merely saying it was Joe941 Jan 2017 #18
Keep digging mcar Jan 2017 #20
Can you believe this shit?... SidDithers Jan 2017 #19
Sometimes there are not enough walls, Sid mcar Jan 2017 #21
No Cha Jan 2017 #23
Sanders had no chance of being nominee and ran for media coverage Gothmog Jan 2017 #15
He had a chance. It was a small chance given the party commitment to HRC. aikoaiko Jan 2017 #24
Sanders had no chance after Super Tuesday but stayed in Gothmog Jan 2017 #30
You keep repeating these opinion pieces on how Bernie couldn't win as if they are gospel. aikoaiko Jan 2017 #39
I believe in Math and the math was clear after Super Tueday Gothmog Jan 2017 #40
It would have been a very different primary, but we can't conclude that he would have won. Orsino Jan 2017 #22
Sanders never did release his tax returns Gothmog Jan 2017 #31
Here is why he wouldn't: the Russian oligarchs would have opposed him just as pnwmom Jan 2017 #28
Yep. It was rigged for Trump from the beginning, I think. Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #34
There's a place to hang one's hat. nt. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #29
And here's why he may well have lost badly Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #33
+1. n/t pnwmom Jan 2017 #35
Still unconvincing. (nt) Paladin Jan 2017 #38
Consider all the harshly critical attacks on Bernie from Republicans during the primaries DFW Jan 2017 #41
+1. n/t pnwmom Jan 2017 #43
Welll he'd have to start by winning the primary La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #42
Well there is that minor issue. LOL. nt fleabiscuit Jan 2017 #44
Woulda Shoulda Coulda.. only BS lost the primary by 4 Millions Cha Jan 2017 #45
Didn't work that way in the Primary. Lil Missy Jan 2017 #49
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