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Gothmog

(154,470 posts)
14. Sanders was on the ballot in 2016 and under performed Clinton
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 09:39 AM
Jan 2017

This is a good article that demonstrates that Sanders would have under performed in the general election https://extranewsfeed.com/bernie-sanders-was-on-the-2016-ballot-and-he-underperformed-hillary-clinton-3b561e8cb779#.jbtsa3epl

Of course, this narrative ignores the facts — that despite Clinton’s supposed flaws, she easily defeated Sanders in the primary via the pledged delegate count, that Sanders inability to convince minority voters doomed his campaign for the nomination, and that the attempt to use superdelegates to override the popular vote was an undemocratic power grab.

And the white workers whose supposed “hate for corporate interests” led them to vote for Trump? They don’t seem upset that Trump has installed three Goldman Sachs executives in his administration. They don’t seem to be angry that Trump’s cabinet is the wealthiest in US history. And we haven’t heard any discontent from the white working class over Trump choosing an Exxon Mobil CEO for Secretary of State.

The devil is in the details, and at first glance, it is easy to see why so many people can believe that Bernie actually would have won. He got a great deal of positive media coverage as the underdog early on, especially with Republicans deliberately eschewing attacks on him in favor of attacks on Clinton. His supporters also trended younger and whiter, demographics that tend to be more visible in the media around election time. A highly energized and vocal minority of Sanders supporters dominated social media, helping him win online polls by huge margins.

But at some point, you have to put away the narrative and actually evaluate performance. This happens in sports all the time, especially with hyped up amateur college prospects before they go pro. Big time college players are often surrounded by an aura, a narrative of sorts, which pushes many casual observers to believe their college skills will translate to success on the next level. But professional teams have to evaluate the performance of these amateur players to determine if they can have success as professionals, regardless what the narrative surrounding them in college was. A college player with a lot of hype isn’t necessarily going to succeed professionally. In fact, some of the most hyped up prospects have the most underwhelming performances at the next level. In the same vein, we can evaluate Sanders’ performance in 2016 and determine whether his platform is ready for the next level. Sanders endorsed a plethora of candidates and initiatives across the country, in coastal states and Rust Belt states. He campaigned for these candidates and initiatives because they represented his platform and his vision for the future of the Democratic Party. In essence, Bernie Sanders was on the 2016 ballot. Let’s take a look at how he performed.

After looking at a number of races where sanders supported candidates under perform Hillary Clinton, that author makes a strong closing
If Sanders is so clearly the future of the Democratic Party, then why is his platform not resonating in diverse blue states like California and Colorado, where the Democratic base resides? Why are his candidates losing in the Rust Belt, where displaced white factory workers are supposed to be sympathetic to his message on trade? The key implication Sanders backers usually point to is that his agenda is supposed to not only energize the Democratic base, but bring over the white working class, which largely skews Republican. Universal healthcare, free college, a national $15 minimum wage, and government controlled prescription drug costs are supposed to be the policies that bring back a white working class that has gone conservative since Democrats passed Civil Rights. Sanders spent $40 million a month during the primary, and was largely visible during the general, pushing his candidates and his agenda across the country. The results were not good — specifically in regards to the white working class. The white working class did not turnout for Feingold in Wisconsin, or for universal healthcare in Colorado. Instead, they voted against Bernie’s platform, and voted for regular big business Republicans.

Why did Sanders underperform Clinton significantly throughout 2016 — first in the primaries, and then with his candidates and initiatives in the general? If Sanders’ platform and candidates had lost, but performed better than Clinton, than that would be an indicator that perhaps he was on to something. If they had actually won, then he could really claim to have momentum. But instead, we saw the opposite result: Sanders’ platform lost, and lost by much bigger margins than Clinton did. It even lost in states Clinton won big. What does that tell us about the future of the Democratic Party? Well, perhaps we need to acknowledge that the Bernie Sanders platform just isn’t as popular as it’s made out to be.

Trump would have destroyed sanders in a general election contest.
Please tell me more Botany Jan 2017 #1
WTF is THAT sposed to mean!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #4
I was wondering that myself n/t. ogradda Jan 2017 #25
I think I love you. cyclonefence Jan 2017 #26
On this morning's breakfast menu we are featuring TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #2
The McDonald Big Breakfast! shraby Jan 2017 #3
That was my first thought.. Cha Jan 2017 #5
Wow, mention the name Bernie Sanders and the snark really comes out. Sad. monmouth4 Jan 2017 #6
So.... Laurian Jan 2017 #7
I wasn't stating a solution to the sexism problem - just an observation. Joe941 Jan 2017 #9
And it's way past time to confront it. Laurian Jan 2017 #10
Your analysis ignores valid reasons why voters rejected Sanders in the primary Gothmog Jan 2017 #8
I doubt sexism is a problem for the democratic primary voters... Joe941 Jan 2017 #11
Sanders was on the ballot in 2016 and under performed Clinton Gothmog Jan 2017 #14
Thank you, Goth, "Bernie Sanders Was On The 2016 Ballot  And He Underperformed Hillary Clinton" Cha Jan 2017 #16
Sanders would have been destroyed by trump in the general election Gothmog Jan 2017 #17
He may have lost to Trump but I doubt he would have been destroyed. kickitup Jan 2017 #27
Thanks for your posts, Gothmog! BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #46
Thank you for your post Gothmog Jan 2017 #47
Good, factual post. And it might help if Sanders worked on his revolution now instead of . . . brush Jan 2017 #32
Sanders was rejected by Jewish, African American and Latino voters Gothmog Jan 2017 #36
What's up with that? Those voters are a big part of the base. His obsession with WWC cost him ... brush Jan 2017 #37
Sanders' whole campaign was based on a so-called revolution that never materialized Gothmog Jan 2017 #48
I don't know what you hoped accomplished by creating this thread... SharonClark Jan 2017 #12
So Hillary shouldn't have run because she is a woman mcar Jan 2017 #13
I didn't say that. I'm merely saying it was Joe941 Jan 2017 #18
Keep digging mcar Jan 2017 #20
Can you believe this shit?... SidDithers Jan 2017 #19
Sometimes there are not enough walls, Sid mcar Jan 2017 #21
No Cha Jan 2017 #23
Sanders had no chance of being nominee and ran for media coverage Gothmog Jan 2017 #15
He had a chance. It was a small chance given the party commitment to HRC. aikoaiko Jan 2017 #24
Sanders had no chance after Super Tuesday but stayed in Gothmog Jan 2017 #30
You keep repeating these opinion pieces on how Bernie couldn't win as if they are gospel. aikoaiko Jan 2017 #39
I believe in Math and the math was clear after Super Tueday Gothmog Jan 2017 #40
It would have been a very different primary, but we can't conclude that he would have won. Orsino Jan 2017 #22
Sanders never did release his tax returns Gothmog Jan 2017 #31
Here is why he wouldn't: the Russian oligarchs would have opposed him just as pnwmom Jan 2017 #28
Yep. It was rigged for Trump from the beginning, I think. Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #34
There's a place to hang one's hat. nt. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #29
And here's why he may well have lost badly Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #33
+1. n/t pnwmom Jan 2017 #35
Still unconvincing. (nt) Paladin Jan 2017 #38
Consider all the harshly critical attacks on Bernie from Republicans during the primaries DFW Jan 2017 #41
+1. n/t pnwmom Jan 2017 #43
Welll he'd have to start by winning the primary La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #42
Well there is that minor issue. LOL. nt fleabiscuit Jan 2017 #44
Woulda Shoulda Coulda.. only BS lost the primary by 4 Millions Cha Jan 2017 #45
Didn't work that way in the Primary. Lil Missy Jan 2017 #49
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