2016 Postmortem

zentrum

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165. No idea how you got that....

Sat Jan 7, 2017, 02:28 PM

Jan 2017

My point was that the OP saying the Dems "are held hostage" by anyone like Bernie makes them sound like cowering scaredy cats.

I want them to fight the Repugs and also be in no way afraid or "held hostage" because there's a progressive unbeholden to funders, who tells very uncomfortable truths. What in the progressive agenda holds them hostage? What are they afraid of in Bernie's and Warren's words?

Protecting SS?
Protecting and expanding Medicare?
Rebuilding the 50 state local democratic organizations?
Protecting Dodd-Frank and expanding it?
The need to filibuster DT's appointments?

Now that we have a rabid extreme RW in power, we damn well need a fierce clear cut delineation of the policies we are about to lose and need to save. This isn't all about 3rd way reasonableness any more. (Which never worked anyway.) It's now a new abnormal landscape.

See you at the Women's March on the 21st.

And at Bernie's Health Care March on the 15th.

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Huffington Post: Bernie Sanders Should Not be Allowed to Hold the Democratic Party Hostage [View all] bravenak Jan 2017 OP

Sanders can't do that alone. We as part of the part can declare our party expectations, JCanete Jan 2017 #1

And fuck letting indendents control our party bravenak Jan 2017 #5

fuck regressives controlling the party. I'm a Democrat, not an independent. JCanete Jan 2017 #6

That's nice. Fuck anybody BUT DEMOCRATS controlling the party bravenak Jan 2017 #10

Nobody but Democrats control the party. Sanders message may appeal to those of us who are Democrats. JCanete Jan 2017 #13

His message may appeal to some but that some is a minority of the base bravenak Jan 2017 #17

I disagree with your characterization of what he has been doing, but that has nothing to do with JCanete Jan 2017 #27

That's how he hold us hostage. By attack bravenak Jan 2017 #31

Bernie. "Attacking." "Hostage." Has the anti-Sanders group grown that weak? Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #168

I think not being able to handle the tiniest bit of criticism is the real weakness bravenak Jan 2017 #171

Well, trump is certainly like that. Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #188

LOL, true bravenak Jan 2017 #191

Bernie has been inclusive of all Democrats and Independants. Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #107

Thank you. nt DLevine Jan 2017 #126

You are right on, as always. Thirties Child Jan 2017 #133

This Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #170

He's a better "Democrat" than any of the rest. panader0 Jan 2017 #185

You said it ..Great analysis INdemo Jan 2017 #386

Tireless campaigner for Clinton Roy Rolling Jan 2017 #394

Better at shouting slogans and producing dank memes, maybe. forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #427

Agreed! He's zentrum Jan 2017 #437

If we are suppose to remake the Demcoratc party in Sanders image, then he should be a member Gothmog Jan 2017 #448

yep Go Vols Jan 2017 #204

The DNC did NOT cheat Sanders ... doesn't matter how many times you say it SFnomad Jan 2017 #206

Can we disparage the EC and support Super Delegates at the same time? HopeAgain Jan 2017 #215

I never said I supported Super Delegates .. Super Delegates are NOT the reason Sanders lost SFnomad Jan 2017 #221

Neither the DNC nor super delegates played any role in Sanders defeat Gothmog Jan 2017 #239

Super Delegates didn't cost Bernie the nomination and HopeAgain Jan 2017 #253

Yeah, Clinton's campaign was so "disastrous" she only got nearly 3 million more votes than tRump did SFnomad Jan 2017 #298

Disastrous because zentrum Jan 2017 #438

It's easy to look back at what she could have done better after the fact SFnomad Jan 2017 #440

Been ready to move on but every time Bernie is in the news a fresh Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #319

Yeah, sure looks like you've been ready to move on .. SFnomad Jan 2017 #323

What was the title to this discussion thread again? Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #325

Who was the one that stated that the "DNC cheated Sanders"? SFnomad Jan 2017 #326

That would be me! Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #332

I believe in reality ... SFnomad Jan 2017 #336

What are you talking about? zentrum Jan 2017 #442

That was a reply to Dustlawyer stating that the "DNC cheated Sanders", try reading the thread SFnomad Jan 2017 #443

How did the DNC cause Jewish, African American and Latino voters to reject Sanders? Gothmog Jan 2017 #460

Sanders would not give up the book sales by running as a third party Gothmog Jan 2017 #449

+1 treestar Jan 2017 #452

Great response! LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #236

Not really Gothmog Jan 2017 #237

Last week, Bernie was fighting to save Medicare - bringing a huge poster of a Trump quote womanofthehills Jan 2017 #353

Good post Bernie can call himself whatever he wants. 4bucksagallon Jan 2017 #358

Explain to me how the people whom I refer to as "the radical left" are doing that. Cary Jan 2017 #412

The vote count was reasonably close... Yurovsky Jan 2017 #454

If he will stop stocking the fire by calling democrats out of touch, I will say nothing bravenak Jan 2017 #455

Sanders out spent Clinton by a decent amount in many if not all of the later primaries Gothmog Jan 2017 #461

Then why was Sanders soundly rejected by Jewish, African American and Latino voters? Gothmog Jan 2017 #153

Goth...I get the feeling you don't care what a conversation is about, you just want to continue JCanete Jan 2017 #155

When all you got is a hammer... tonedevil Jan 2017 #164

...or just make stuff up! Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #172

nail jknudsen Jan 2017 #290

Laypersons making relevancy objections are amusing Gothmog Jan 2017 #210

oh my fucking lord. This isn't debate for the sake of scoring points. Its about enlightenment, so I JCanete Jan 2017 #214

If you want to enlighten anyone, you may want to consider using facts Gothmog Jan 2017 #228

Yep, pretty much. n/t QC Jan 2017 #390

Because many voters believed Hillary... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #217

Trump used all of Bernie's attacks on Clinton. R B Garr Jan 2017 #432

No, The Systems Not Totally Rigged. But That Idea Sure Helped Donald Trump. Gothmog Jan 2017 #467

So are the Russians putting out this stuff to try to keep us divided? hollowdweller Jan 2017 #177

"Regressives"? Who are you referring to? George II Jan 2017 #89

how about anyone who wants to preemptively exclude certain liberal voices JCanete Jan 2017 #92

How about we focus on the fact that the author was simply pointing out that cstanleytech Jan 2017 #115

I am focusing on that. I'm a Democrat. I get to weigh in on who I accept as a Democrat. I get to JCanete Jan 2017 #120

You are welcome to your opinion but remember that other Democrats can disagree and still be Dems. Gothmog Jan 2017 #251

Well Sanders is a progressive who is more active than most of the dems womanofthehills Jan 2017 #354

And I'm not knocking him for it and in fact I agree with him alot things however if he wants cstanleytech Jan 2017 #382

Actually, being an independent has helped Bernie get so many amendments passed womanofthehills Jan 2017 #424

And thats relevant to my post how? cstanleytech Jan 2017 #436

I don't see anyone wanting to exclude Sanders (if that's who you're referring to) from the debate... George II Jan 2017 #129

you don't look very hard. Just read the exchange between me and Bravenak. JCanete Jan 2017 #131

And where did she say she wanted to exclude him from the debate? George II Jan 2017 #154

Oh jesus George. Is that how you want to parse this? She didn't want him or his message JCanete Jan 2017 #157

That's not "parsing", it's facing reality. You're saying things that simply are not true. George II Jan 2017 #233

Nowhere bravenak Jan 2017 #161

Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #169

I said he should not have complete control. Not that he could not speak. bravenak Jan 2017 #174

referring to post #4 where you reiterated that independents should not be allowed to join and run JCanete Jan 2017 #176

They should not be in our primaries for president for damn sure. They can have their own and speak bravenak Jan 2017 #180

thus excluding them from the actual debate about our party's direction. okay. thanks for being JCanete Jan 2017 #189

If they do not want to be in the party, why should we care what they want in terms of our direction bravenak Jan 2017 #198

the question again is who is we. A large enough contingent of "we" wanted his message to get JCanete Jan 2017 #202

Then get a large enough contingent together bravenak Jan 2017 #205

I assure you, nobody who wasn't a democrat let Sanders into the Democratic party. You know this. JCanete Jan 2017 #209

I am an american first bravenak Jan 2017 #212

not just any Democrat. The jersey is not the point. We kind of get to weigh in on what our future JCanete Jan 2017 #219

The jersey is the point on the field. bravenak Jan 2017 #223

I don't know I recall several claims that Bernie could win treestar Jan 2017 #453

No, she did not say "independents should not be allowed to join and run..... George II Jan 2017 #248

Precisely. George II Jan 2017 #234

Anyone's voice who is speaking out for Democratic Principles Cha Jan 2017 #269

Sanders was rejected soundly by Jewish, African and Latino votes Gothmog Jan 2017 #401

No, I don't want our Dem Party made into that.. he lost the Primary by almost Cha Jan 2017 #409

Sanders was only running for media coverage Gothmog Jan 2017 #422

So the people who support a non Democrat and who have been busy trying to silence synergie Jan 2017 #329

Regressives are not in our party, they're the GOP. synergie Jan 2017 #327

Sorry...I completely disagree...we have not got time for that nonsense at the moment Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #19

no, we've been losing for our center left approach. It makes us rely on the corporate backing that JCanete Jan 2017 #34

When has a far left candidate won a presidential in my lifetime? I am a millennial born in the 80s bravenak Jan 2017 #36

well, that's a good point, especially since so many of our own party don't want a far left candidate JCanete Jan 2017 #44

How do we get a far left candidate as a leader if the majority of the party does not want one? bravenak Jan 2017 #49

It should want one. Why don't you want one? It is disingenuous to stand in the way of something JCanete Jan 2017 #53

Should would could bravenak Jan 2017 #55

why aren't you fighting for it? That was the question. Why are you fighting against it? How JCanete Jan 2017 #59

I really dont care about corporate media bravenak Jan 2017 #69

oh come on. That's almost a "pick yourself up by your own bootstraps" argument. There is a JCanete Jan 2017 #87

It may be that but it's real bravenak Jan 2017 #93

Why do you believe the american people are just suddenly going to evolve and shrug off pervasive JCanete Jan 2017 #98

I don't. That's pretty much my point bravenak Jan 2017 #106

But what about an approach to politics that tries to ignore this reality appeals to you? JCanete Jan 2017 #109

It's not about what appeals to me bravenak Jan 2017 #122

I can totally see being the donkey from Animal Farm. That aint you. You have actively attacked JCanete Jan 2017 #127

I am fucking cynical. No other way to be bravenak Jan 2017 #132

Hillary ran a very progressive liberal campaign. boston bean Jan 2017 #47

It's crazy time!!! bravenak Jan 2017 #50

It was more progressive post convention because there was pressure on her to be so. JCanete Jan 2017 #65

Bingo. You captured it perfectly brush Jan 2017 #70

Yes she did Gothmog Jan 2017 #341

Far left candidate? dugog55 Jan 2017 #110

My parents and grandparents are black so, they say there has never been a better time for them ever bravenak Jan 2017 #128

I need to put this here. tonedevil Jan 2017 #218

I agree with you bravenak Jan 2017 #220

If FDR was the last leftist Democratic president crazycatlady Jan 2017 #288

You are too young to remember but, tiredtoo Jan 2017 #162

And refused to do anything on lynchings of blacks bravenak Jan 2017 #229

FDR's attitude toward AA's was something I never knew about or even considered until Ligyron Jan 2017 #385

I don't blame him per se forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #439

If that was true then shouldnt the Republicans have been losing alot of ground because right now it cstanleytech Jan 2017 #241

Which positions of the.. "hard left" do you feel will cause Democrats trouble? pangaia Jan 2017 #208

For 35 years I've been hearing "if we go left, we lose" dflprincess Jan 2017 #335

At least one member of the DNC who will be voting on this election disagrees Gothmog Jan 2017 #134

disagrees with something I said here? I don't see it. nt JCanete Jan 2017 #136

Read the material posted including the OP and this quote is very relevant Gothmog Jan 2017 #242

exactly wallyworld2 Jan 2017 #232

I think Biden should have run ShaquantaBrown Jan 2017 #2

He was deeply mourning the loss of his son Beau. I wish he could have run too CousinIT Jan 2017 #14

Hillary would have crushed Biden in a closed primary HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #64

Biden? The Big Bank's credit card industry guy who voted for the Iraq War Resolution? delisen Jan 2017 #18

Really...well what we have now is a Goldman guy as treasury secretary...so much better. scarcasm Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #21

I know. Trump is the epitome of all things bernie hates. bravenak Jan 2017 #26

and thanks to attitudes like this Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #211

"Plagiarism baggage"? That issue was over and forgotten more than 25 years ago. George II Jan 2017 #246

this!!! Grey Lemercier Jan 2017 #334

I love Joe Biden Gothmog Jan 2017 #450

Please stop that. BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #301

Someone should tell the Democratic leadership this because it seems NWCorona Jan 2017 #3

Bernie is not that important bravenak Jan 2017 #4

Definitely smart! Make the party a coronation for only what 1/2 to 2/3s of the party wants at best JCanete Jan 2017 #8

That nailed it. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #16

What? So what 2/3 of what the party wants should back down for, as you put it, a "coronation" for.. George II Jan 2017 #76

I cannot understand it bravenak Jan 2017 #84

Well lets see, in the context of the conersation, I would say it means that I am being generous and JCanete Jan 2017 #90

huh? JHan Jan 2017 #79

Did I say something different? where? Do you want to have a debate about the party in the primaries JCanete Jan 2017 #100

I'd rather a debate about ideas... JHan Jan 2017 #102

Well it would help if we spent more time debating the facts, or at least the various interpretations JCanete Jan 2017 #105

Important is kinda subjective. There are some who could argue that he's more important than ever. NWCorona Jan 2017 #12

He's almost eighty, how long you think he has to be in the spotlight as the 'future' of the party? bravenak Jan 2017 #15

Not long and I'm sure he's aware of that. I wouldn't say he's the future either NWCorona Jan 2017 #32

He better get aware bravenak Jan 2017 #33

I'm not an ageist. You have it until you don't and Bernie still seems sharp to me. NWCorona Jan 2017 #38

Not to me bravenak Jan 2017 #43

And I get that but to be fair this election had nothing but old choices NWCorona Jan 2017 #45

I'm done with old bravenak Jan 2017 #52

Unless her initials are HRC... TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #78

She aint running again bravenak Jan 2017 #83

I'm fine. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #88

Not for next time, so...... bravenak Jan 2017 #95

Now he's too old and feeble? babylonsister Jan 2017 #399

He is CERTAINLY too old to be the FUTURE of the party bravenak Jan 2017 #446

So what? Hillary is almost seventy-five. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #39

Just turned seventy actually bravenak Jan 2017 #42

And Bernie just turned 75, actually. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #48

That is the age when males start really passing away bravenak Jan 2017 #51

Oh, stop. Now you're flailing wildly TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #57

It's simply fact bravenak Jan 2017 #58

Yeah, whatever. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #63

Well, with age I hope I can pass it all away. Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #194

Me too, no lie bravenak Jan 2017 #201

She's 69. nt DesertRat Jan 2017 #441

I know that. If Bernie is almost 80, she's 75. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #447

I completely agree...we lost the election because he was permitted to run in my opinion. nt Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #24

Yep. Let's not forget that ever. I know I never will bravenak Jan 2017 #30

I agree. That was the biggest mistake the DNC made - letting Sanders run as a Democrat BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #82

Yep, he trashed the party continuously and his supporters trashed Hillary continuously . . . brush Jan 2017 #85

Somewhere in the bowels of the Beltway Democrats, he was permitted?! Da Horror!! Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #200

What do you mean by "he was permitted to run"? PotatoChip Jan 2017 #231

Meaning Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #362

"The Party let him get away with it" PotatoChip Jan 2017 #374

One of several reasons we lost liquid diamond Jan 2017 #240

And yet, Bernie has been the most visible Democratic voice since the election Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #135

Voice atracking the democratic party, you mean bravenak Jan 2017 #141

and yet for years prior Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #216

Bernie will not be gone - he's out there fighting the progressive cause right now!! womanofthehills Jan 2017 #355

He will be gone because he's 75 bravenak Jan 2017 #356

Except Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #363

What bullshit. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #7

Well if the Democrats lose so will you...so there. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #29

Spoken truth to power, Demsrule86. BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #116

you must admit they are very high maintenance treestar Jan 2017 #380

Great post-I saw this first hand at the National Convention Gothmog Jan 2017 #451

Good article. A large majority of the DEMOCRATIC party chose Clinton in the Primary and General. Lil Missy Jan 2017 #9

Seriously. Why cant he attack republicans for a while? Damn bravenak Jan 2017 #11

That's the thing!! LisaM Jan 2017 #20

If he did THAT, I would be behind him one hundred bravenak Jan 2017 #22

No, you haven't. unc70 Jan 2017 #72

He attacks us more, so.... bravenak Jan 2017 #75

Changing your rule unc70 Jan 2017 #91

Oh - a new person to BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #305

Wasted Effort Criticizing Sanders. LanternWaste Jan 2017 #457

He never does. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #25

Come on now NWCorona Jan 2017 #35

That's one. Compared to hundreds criticising dems. bravenak Jan 2017 #37

Others can be found if one looks but I do understand that his criticism ruffles some. NWCorona Jan 2017 #41

We didnt lose because of republicans bowens43 Jan 2017 #118

How did that work out for you? bowens43 Jan 2017 #113

Pretty good, actually. 2.9 million more votes for her over tRump. Nearly 4 million more for her BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #121

It wasn't even attempted - Sanders latched on to the D Party like a leech. Lil Missy Jan 2017 #270

Even before the convention he abandoned the Party and registered for re-election in 2018 as "I"! George II Jan 2017 #389

Hostage? Srsly? progressoid Jan 2017 #23

What? You don't like a bit of hyperbole in the morn? bravenak Jan 2017 #28

A bit is fine. That's a cornucopia of hyperbole. progressoid Jan 2017 #151

It was just a side order bravenak Jan 2017 #152

Yeah let the leaders who let Trump beat them continue randr Jan 2017 #40

Become the leadership if you do not like them bravenak Jan 2017 #62

Proud to say I was a delegate for Bernie in a progressive State randr Jan 2017 #67

Good job bravenak Jan 2017 #71

Kick mcar Jan 2017 #46

I can't believe that someone alerted this as "bashing Democratic public figures"!!! George II Jan 2017 #54

That is ridiculous. We are simply doing a post mortem bravenak Jan 2017 #56

Not only that but the person who is presumably being "bashed" (which he isn't!)..... George II Jan 2017 #60

Apparently he has 'protected status' bravenak Jan 2017 #77

Exactly. eom BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #306

For your edification: aikoaiko Jan 2017 #80

I don't know why Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #137

Oh I can.. they do it to every one that takes a critical look at Cha Jan 2017 #257

There are a lot of progressives who have become independents because they have lost faith in the RDANGELO Jan 2017 #61

Save it. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #66

that's not true-- but we had a primary and he was beaten fairly clearly Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #393

Yes, we had a primary. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #407

that's unfair take, and we're supposed to be nice to Democrats here Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #411

If you are tired of our party Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #364

that may be true, but this election was an obvious choice, and if they didn't vote for HRC Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #392

He doesn't want to be a Democrat, he just want to start a movement.... Historic NY Jan 2017 #68

Pretty much bravenak Jan 2017 #73

The party needs to send a strong message... NCTraveler Jan 2017 #74

I think so too bravenak Jan 2017 #81

How is Ellison not a progressive? I think you're crossing into non-reality land. RBInMaine Jan 2017 #235

Ellison is a solid progressive. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #317

I've yet to hear solid reasons why Sanders can't just register as a Democrat. JHan Jan 2017 #86

Neither have I. Not one bravenak Jan 2017 #140

And that is THE question ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #292

Do you remember when he said that? JHan Jan 2017 #314

He said it in response to a question from Chuck Todd. NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #320

Wow, thanks.SMH JHan Jan 2017 #383

"Right ethic"? charlyvi Jan 2017 #414

Great article. sheshe2 Jan 2017 #94

I missed hers, thank the godessses! bravenak Jan 2017 #96

Lol sheshe2 Jan 2017 #260

So get in line... Snackshack Jan 2017 #97

Its simple Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #143

Sanders' message obviously resonated with millions of voters. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #99

Fewer voter were into him than rejected him bravenak Jan 2017 #108

I don't mind that... JHan Jan 2017 #111

he's not saying corporations are bad. He's saying letting them run the henhouse is bad. Nt JCanete Jan 2017 #114

But that's parsing... JHan Jan 2017 #130

It could very likely ensure a conflict of interest, and certainly a very particular world-view, that JCanete Jan 2017 #150

Of course Corporations exercise influence in Washington... JHan Jan 2017 #213

If we had one that resonated, we might start winning for a change. Ligyron Jan 2017 #410

Dear Bernie... Mike Nelson Jan 2017 #101

Hear Hear! KPN Jan 2017 #104

The Party did not "let him run". PotatoChip Jan 2017 #238

I am ashamed of the anti Bernies....I thought this was a big tent MaeScott Jan 2017 #381

It's Just Not Pure Enough otohara Jan 2017 #403

Sanders ran in the Democratic primary for money and media coverage Gothmog Jan 2017 #400

So much petty bullshit. KPN Jan 2017 #103

A-fuxxen-men!!!!! BigBearJohn Jan 2017 #227

Looks like some so called Dems are planning next big loss bowens43 Jan 2017 #112

He Needs videohead5 Jan 2017 #117

Where were all you loyal Dems when the . . FairWinds Jan 2017 #119

So Bernie is twice the democrat than all of us here? Nice to know. bravenak Jan 2017 #146

where were Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #225

Go Bernie! zentrum Jan 2017 #123

You want dems to cower? Why? bravenak Jan 2017 #142

No idea how you got that.... zentrum Jan 2017 #165

Where are all these wonderful bills Bernie got through congress protecting our entitlements? bravenak Jan 2017 #178

Gawd I hope you take us up on that promise LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #245

Thats all in over thirty YEARS? bravenak Jan 2017 #249

I guess you missed this part: LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #259

I said BILLS HE WROTE HIMSELF bravenak Jan 2017 #266

You said: LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #284

I said BILLS not AMENDMENTS to other folks's BILLS bravenak Jan 2017 #286

Bills that became law. LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #291

Somebody else did most of the work. bravenak Jan 2017 #294

sigh LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #408

Fantastic! Go Bernie! nt zentrum Jan 2017 #261

K&R Gothmog Jan 2017 #124

Thank you Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #125

Yes. And maybe visit our neighborhoods without a camera crew to show off for bravenak Jan 2017 #139

in my county if no bernie folks...stick a fork in us cause we are done dembotoz Jan 2017 #138

So again Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #147

and if he does the god damn libertarians and greens will poll as much as the dems dembotoz Jan 2017 #199

Keith Ellison is a Democrat heavily involved in the Minnesota's Democratic Party (the DFL). Eric J in MN Jan 2017 #144

I really do not see this as a slam on Ellison bravenak Jan 2017 #149

Except he's not an Independent Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #156

Keep slamming Sanders but just remember that had he been the nominne we would INdemo Jan 2017 #145

No we wouldnt have bravenak Jan 2017 #148

I dont agree at all. INdemo Jan 2017 #159

I do bravenak Jan 2017 #167

Trump would have crushed Sanders in the general election Gothmog Jan 2017 #173

Sanders was on the ballot and underpreformed Clinton Gothmog Jan 2017 #160

Yeah, we want more business as usual lunatica Jan 2017 #158

Let's see Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #183

LOL! lunatica Jan 2017 #193

and yet Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #196

As a staunch Democrat... tonedevil Jan 2017 #163

Does that also include Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #166

Do all 63 million... tonedevil Jan 2017 #195

The Democratic Party chooses to let decline to state voters select its candidate for president. David__77 Jan 2017 #175

And we are dumb to do so outside of California bravenak Jan 2017 #182

I am hoping that the party will outlaw caucuses and encourage more closed primaries next cycle Gothmog Jan 2017 #264

CO Had To Vote To Rid Us of Caucus - Party Can't Outlaw otohara Jan 2017 #396

Texas had to give up the caucus portion of the Texas two step Gothmog Jan 2017 #423

TOTAL BS.... roomtomove Jan 2017 #179

and neither Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #187

So are the Jewish, African American and Latino voters who rejected sanders part of the party? Gothmog Jan 2017 #265

Get over it Peter. You've been major butt hurt since Senator Sanders... Raster Jan 2017 #181

Nope. I am working against FUTURE non democrats being in the position to harm us. bravenak Jan 2017 #186

Agree!!! That job should be reserved for the Ben Nelsons and Max Baucuses and Joe Liebermans of the Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2017 #184

They would never make it to super tuesday in a primary and they are not going to be around long bravenak Jan 2017 #190

Your vast experience is why Value your considerable input on Democratic party issues as much as I do Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2017 #244

If you want to be a member of our party that's fine Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #192

K&R! stonecutter357 Jan 2017 #197

I like your swatter.... bravenak Jan 2017 #207

meh... pangaia Jan 2017 #203

Let's pretend for a miinute democrank Jan 2017 #222

I am not the one looking for a purity test. I simply want my team to wear the same jerseys bravenak Jan 2017 #224

I'm with the OP Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #226

You're reaching quite a bit.. JHan Jan 2017 #230

I really hate this man. liquid diamond Jan 2017 #243

He really loves attention bravenak Jan 2017 #250

They are also good at liquid diamond Jan 2017 #268

Oh hell yeah bravenak Jan 2017 #273

I can't see a reason for an alert. The closest would be "don't bash Democratic public figures".... George II Jan 2017 #252

Under Don't Bash Democrats in the TOS, Skinner added: DLevine Jan 2017 #415

Sanders ran in the Democratic primary for media coverage Gothmog Jan 2017 #254

Me Too! otohara Jan 2017 #416

So much wrong with that article LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #247

Sanders platform was based on unrealistic assumptions about a so-called revolution Gothmog Jan 2017 #262

What's next-Bernie's taking orders from Putin too? Paranoia strikes deep. jalan48 Jan 2017 #255

But I want to know as well - why won't he join the Democratic Party? What's the problem? JHan Jan 2017 #299

What difference does it make? jalan48 Jan 2017 #302

It makes a difference because he is critiquing the structure and inner workings of the party. JHan Jan 2017 #308

He's an Independent. He drew massive crowds in the primary which surprised the hell out of the jalan48 Jan 2017 #310

That doesn't address the why: JHan Jan 2017 #313

I guess you will need to ask him. He's an Independent and right now that's an attractive thing. jalan48 Jan 2017 #315

His Followers Didn't Give A Shit Russians Attack On DNC - Grateful otohara Jan 2017 #431

You're missing a key word here-"some". The "it's all black and white" approach fails again. jalan48 Jan 2017 #433

They All Weren't Wearing Hillary for Prison. T-Shirt otohara Jan 2017 #434

They spoke for all the Sander's supporters in the US? jalan48 Jan 2017 #435

Couldn't agree more with this. Paladin Jan 2017 #256

K+R!!! Bravo. SaschaHM Jan 2017 #258

ADL has 'serious concerns' whether Ellison can lead DNC Gothmog Jan 2017 #263

My thing with him is that he was defending that bullshit coming outta the Farrakhan tribe bravenak Jan 2017 #267

It's one thing to not want the guy to be president...fine, that's your call... Ken Burch Jan 2017 #271

I want him inside the tent pissing out instead of outside pissing in bravenak Jan 2017 #274

Which is an argument for electing Keith. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #280

No. That's called RANSOM bravenak Jan 2017 #281

No...it's called doing what we need to do to win. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #283

Letting him decide the dnc chair will solve all of our problems? Really? bravenak Jan 2017 #285

I guess it doesn't cost the party anything brer cat Jan 2017 #300

We don't have to reject the candidate Bernie supports for DNC chair to hang on to black voters. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #316

Sandders and his supporter repeatedly attacked President Obama Gothmog Jan 2017 #337

I like a lot of what President Obama did and would vote for him again. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #343

Sanders wanted to primary Obama Gothmog Jan 2017 #395

It's "Keith", not "Ken". Ken is MY name, Ken Burch Jan 2017 #425

Have you ever stopped to think why I switched my vote? forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #428

I respect your anger, but I don't actually hold the views you said I hold in that post. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #444

We don't brer cat Jan 2017 #344

My intent was always to say the best of both campaigns Ken Burch Jan 2017 #345

Yes, brer.. I think it's costing a lot.. Well said! Cha Jan 2017 #352

Sanders was rejected soundly by Jewish, African and Latino votes Gothmog Jan 2017 #338

Well done... sheshe2 Jan 2017 #272

Hear, hear. DavidDvorkin Jan 2017 #275

Thanks brave.. I know I really like Tom Perez for DNC Chair.. Cha Jan 2017 #276

I totally support him and I think he will bring us together, rather than divide us bravenak Jan 2017 #277

Definitely not a Divider.. Cha Jan 2017 #278

Reminds me of Obama bravenak Jan 2017 #279

Thanks, Cha! BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #307

Hi Blue! #TeamPerez! Cha Jan 2017 #311

I really like Tom Perez Gothmog Jan 2017 #462

where does Tom Perez stand on marijuana legalization? Has he said? Does anybody know? Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #282

He says nothing bravenak Jan 2017 #287

I'm sure you agree that, going forward, silence or pretending it's not a "serious" issue Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #289

I'm used to outright hostility so somebody that will stfu if opposed is almost heavenly bravenak Jan 2017 #293

DWS was working with Sheldon Adelson & running to the times with "reefer madness" tropes. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #295

I bet they pick somebody else anyway bravenak Jan 2017 #296

For all I know, Perez is the best call. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #297

I truly wish that Bernie would focus BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #303

I would like it if Sanders ran as a Democrat in 2018 Gothmog Jan 2017 #463

I really don't care which BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #475

We're Totally Being Blackmailed otohara Jan 2017 #304

I wont either bravenak Jan 2017 #309

Sanders did enough damage. yallerdawg Jan 2017 #312

We will NEVER see those tax returns bravenak Jan 2017 #318

I know Sec Perez is looking so Good right now.. he is a Uniter! Cha Jan 2017 #351

This Bozo Rosenstein and his ilk had no problems supporting Holy Joe Lieberman Larkspur Jan 2017 #321

Funny how everyone's ignoring that little nugget. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #421

Such Rancor colsohlibgal Jan 2017 #322

If I never hear his name or his voice ever again, I'll be tickled pink. I quit Rachel's show this.. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2017 #324

I have not watched msnbc since november and I am happy about it bravenak Jan 2017 #342

I can watch some of Rachel but I love AMJOY Gothmog Jan 2017 #464

I feel bad about missing AMJoy but I'm fully into my full boycott of tvnews bravenak Jan 2017 #466

I had to ease myself back into watching cable Gothmog Jan 2017 #469

Just another Bernie hater. HassleCat Jan 2017 #328

Crab all you want about Bernie, but he is the ONLY person yet alone the only Senator who is STILL napi21 Jan 2017 #330

Agree jknudsen Jan 2017 #331

He is not a god or the only one fighting bravenak Jan 2017 #333

Kinda what I said below, brave.. Cha Jan 2017 #347

It really gets on my nerves bravenak Jan 2017 #348

I know right.. ".. the only one!" No. Cha Jan 2017 #349

No and hell no bravenak Jan 2017 #350

I never called him a god! If he & Warren are not the only ones fighting, tell me who else have napi21 Jan 2017 #398

The congressional black caucus is fighting like mad. Not busy trashing dems and hawking a book bravenak Jan 2017 #418

I don't doubt you, buttt you all need to find out how to get in the daily news. Copy the Con napi21 Jan 2017 #429

Regardless of whether you hear it or not it is happening bravenak Jan 2017 #430

I am friends with Al Green and Sheila Jackson Lee Gothmog Jan 2017 #465

Yes they are and I appreciate them so much. Awesome democrats! bravenak Jan 2017 #468

Al Green tried to marry my middle child at a fundraiser Gothmog Jan 2017 #470

LOL, did he? That's funny. bravenak Jan 2017 #471

I would support Hillary Clinton if she ran for POTUS again Gothmog Jan 2017 #472

I would too, and I dont care what the bros think about it bravenak Jan 2017 #473

Sanders ran for media coverage and is in the process of selling his latest book Gothmog Jan 2017 #339

No, he isn't the only one.. not by a long shot. That's the Cha Jan 2017 #346

Holding it hostage? His message resonates with some supporters... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #340

actually he kind of did Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #366

Bernie is more of a Democrat than most of the Democrats 4bucksagallon Jan 2017 #357

Then where was he to oppose the EC confirming Donald Trump? bravenak Jan 2017 #359

Seriously that's what you got? 4bucksagallon Jan 2017 #361

and Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #365

He is pretty much the only politician I like. nt m-lekktor Jan 2017 #368

He's pretty much the only one you can trust to do what he says. 4bucksagallon Jan 2017 #369

He is not a Democrat treestar Jan 2017 #378

No you choose not to follow a proven leader. 4bucksagallon Jan 2017 #417

I am a Democrat treestar Jan 2017 #419

I'll bet all the sheep going to the slaughter felt the same way.. 4bucksagallon Jan 2017 #420

Nope LittleGirl Jan 2017 #360

Then leave the party Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #367

Way to build a coalition and increase membership. Hats off to you... 4bucksagallon Jan 2017 #370

Many people said they would leave the country LittleGirl Jan 2017 #372

HP gets it so wrong sometimes! ananda Jan 2017 #371

HP is owned by AOL LittleGirl Jan 2017 #373

In this case Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #376

Written like a true moderate Republican bec Jan 2017 #375

I think we've learned never to allow that again treestar Jan 2017 #377

if you care more about the letter after the name... tomp Jan 2017 #379

Blahblahblah yes, Dianne Feinstein speaks for me! Bring back Joe Lieberman! hatrack Jan 2017 #384

Wallstreet already has that postion randr Jan 2017 #387

If he wants to call the shots Politicub Jan 2017 #388

Fuckin' A! Why can't he be a REAL Democrat like this guy -- QC Jan 2017 #391

Bernie needs skin in the game Politicub Jan 2017 #406

The DNC opened our primary to allow Sanders to run, he said he would accept the DNC rules Thinkingabout Jan 2017 #397

Bernie responsible for Hillary losing election! snort Jan 2017 #402

He made Baby Jesus cry!!! QC Jan 2017 #405

What does it mean to be Democrat? It's a brand name for an elite. immoderate Jan 2017 #404

Rosenstein is a moron. There's nothing insightful to his diatribe of fantasy land wannabe kingmaker Exilednight Jan 2017 #413

What a goober Lithos Jan 2017 #426

Because of Sanders continued support, Hillary 'changed' enough to win the popular vote by millions. Sunlei Jan 2017 #445

Truth. nt LexVegas Jan 2017 #456

We're still in that vague period in which any criticism of Sanders is bullying LanternWaste Jan 2017 #458

I agree and it's bullshit. We will muddle through bravenak Jan 2017 #459

Good read! Maru Kitteh Jan 2017 #474