Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
Editorials & Other Articles
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Huffington Post: Bernie Sanders Should Not be Allowed to Hold the Democratic Party Hostage [View all]Gothmog
(157,118 posts)338. Sanders was rejected soundly by Jewish, African and Latino votes
The ADL and major jewish fund raisers are against Sanders. Sanders was soundly rejected by Jewish, African American and Latino voters and so these groups are not going to be happy to support the candidate of white male voters and Sanders attempt to remake the party in his own image.
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
Recommendations
0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):
475 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
Huffington Post: Bernie Sanders Should Not be Allowed to Hold the Democratic Party Hostage [View all]
bravenak
Jan 2017
OP
Sanders can't do that alone. We as part of the part can declare our party expectations,
JCanete
Jan 2017
#1
Nobody but Democrats control the party. Sanders message may appeal to those of us who are Democrats.
JCanete
Jan 2017
#13
I disagree with your characterization of what he has been doing, but that has nothing to do with
JCanete
Jan 2017
#27
Bernie. "Attacking." "Hostage." Has the anti-Sanders group grown that weak?
Eleanors38
Jan 2017
#168
I think not being able to handle the tiniest bit of criticism is the real weakness
bravenak
Jan 2017
#171
If we are suppose to remake the Demcoratc party in Sanders image, then he should be a member
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#448
I never said I supported Super Delegates .. Super Delegates are NOT the reason Sanders lost
SFnomad
Jan 2017
#221
Yeah, Clinton's campaign was so "disastrous" she only got nearly 3 million more votes than tRump did
SFnomad
Jan 2017
#298
That was a reply to Dustlawyer stating that the "DNC cheated Sanders", try reading the thread
SFnomad
Jan 2017
#443
How did the DNC cause Jewish, African American and Latino voters to reject Sanders?
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#460
Last week, Bernie was fighting to save Medicare - bringing a huge poster of a Trump quote
womanofthehills
Jan 2017
#353
Explain to me how the people whom I refer to as "the radical left" are doing that.
Cary
Jan 2017
#412
If he will stop stocking the fire by calling democrats out of touch, I will say nothing
bravenak
Jan 2017
#455
Sanders out spent Clinton by a decent amount in many if not all of the later primaries
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#461
Then why was Sanders soundly rejected by Jewish, African American and Latino voters?
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#153
Goth...I get the feeling you don't care what a conversation is about, you just want to continue
JCanete
Jan 2017
#155
oh my fucking lord. This isn't debate for the sake of scoring points. Its about enlightenment, so I
JCanete
Jan 2017
#214
How about we focus on the fact that the author was simply pointing out that
cstanleytech
Jan 2017
#115
I am focusing on that. I'm a Democrat. I get to weigh in on who I accept as a Democrat. I get to
JCanete
Jan 2017
#120
You are welcome to your opinion but remember that other Democrats can disagree and still be Dems.
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#251
Well Sanders is a progressive who is more active than most of the dems
womanofthehills
Jan 2017
#354
And I'm not knocking him for it and in fact I agree with him alot things however if he wants
cstanleytech
Jan 2017
#382
Actually, being an independent has helped Bernie get so many amendments passed
womanofthehills
Jan 2017
#424
I don't see anyone wanting to exclude Sanders (if that's who you're referring to) from the debate...
George II
Jan 2017
#129
Oh jesus George. Is that how you want to parse this? She didn't want him or his message
JCanete
Jan 2017
#157
That's not "parsing", it's facing reality. You're saying things that simply are not true.
George II
Jan 2017
#233
referring to post #4 where you reiterated that independents should not be allowed to join and run
JCanete
Jan 2017
#176
They should not be in our primaries for president for damn sure. They can have their own and speak
bravenak
Jan 2017
#180
thus excluding them from the actual debate about our party's direction. okay. thanks for being
JCanete
Jan 2017
#189
If they do not want to be in the party, why should we care what they want in terms of our direction
bravenak
Jan 2017
#198
the question again is who is we. A large enough contingent of "we" wanted his message to get
JCanete
Jan 2017
#202
I assure you, nobody who wasn't a democrat let Sanders into the Democratic party. You know this.
JCanete
Jan 2017
#209
not just any Democrat. The jersey is not the point. We kind of get to weigh in on what our future
JCanete
Jan 2017
#219
No, she did not say "independents should not be allowed to join and run.....
George II
Jan 2017
#248
So the people who support a non Democrat and who have been busy trying to silence
synergie
Jan 2017
#329
Sorry...I completely disagree...we have not got time for that nonsense at the moment
Demsrule86
Jan 2017
#19
no, we've been losing for our center left approach. It makes us rely on the corporate backing that
JCanete
Jan 2017
#34
When has a far left candidate won a presidential in my lifetime? I am a millennial born in the 80s
bravenak
Jan 2017
#36
well, that's a good point, especially since so many of our own party don't want a far left candidate
JCanete
Jan 2017
#44
How do we get a far left candidate as a leader if the majority of the party does not want one?
bravenak
Jan 2017
#49
It should want one. Why don't you want one? It is disingenuous to stand in the way of something
JCanete
Jan 2017
#53
why aren't you fighting for it? That was the question. Why are you fighting against it? How
JCanete
Jan 2017
#59
oh come on. That's almost a "pick yourself up by your own bootstraps" argument. There is a
JCanete
Jan 2017
#87
Why do you believe the american people are just suddenly going to evolve and shrug off pervasive
JCanete
Jan 2017
#98
But what about an approach to politics that tries to ignore this reality appeals to you?
JCanete
Jan 2017
#109
I can totally see being the donkey from Animal Farm. That aint you. You have actively attacked
JCanete
Jan 2017
#127
It was more progressive post convention because there was pressure on her to be so.
JCanete
Jan 2017
#65
My parents and grandparents are black so, they say there has never been a better time for them ever
bravenak
Jan 2017
#128
FDR's attitude toward AA's was something I never knew about or even considered until
Ligyron
Jan 2017
#385
If that was true then shouldnt the Republicans have been losing alot of ground because right now it
cstanleytech
Jan 2017
#241
Which positions of the.. "hard left" do you feel will cause Democrats trouble?
pangaia
Jan 2017
#208
Biden? The Big Bank's credit card industry guy who voted for the Iraq War Resolution?
delisen
Jan 2017
#18
Really...well what we have now is a Goldman guy as treasury secretary...so much better. scarcasm
Demsrule86
Jan 2017
#21
"Plagiarism baggage"? That issue was over and forgotten more than 25 years ago.
George II
Jan 2017
#246
Definitely smart! Make the party a coronation for only what 1/2 to 2/3s of the party wants at best
JCanete
Jan 2017
#8
What? So what 2/3 of what the party wants should back down for, as you put it, a "coronation" for..
George II
Jan 2017
#76
Well lets see, in the context of the conersation, I would say it means that I am being generous and
JCanete
Jan 2017
#90
Did I say something different? where? Do you want to have a debate about the party in the primaries
JCanete
Jan 2017
#100
Well it would help if we spent more time debating the facts, or at least the various interpretations
JCanete
Jan 2017
#105
Important is kinda subjective. There are some who could argue that he's more important than ever.
NWCorona
Jan 2017
#12
He's almost eighty, how long you think he has to be in the spotlight as the 'future' of the party?
bravenak
Jan 2017
#15
Not long and I'm sure he's aware of that. I wouldn't say he's the future either
NWCorona
Jan 2017
#32
I'm not an ageist. You have it until you don't and Bernie still seems sharp to me.
NWCorona
Jan 2017
#38
I completely agree...we lost the election because he was permitted to run in my opinion. nt
Demsrule86
Jan 2017
#24
I agree. That was the biggest mistake the DNC made - letting Sanders run as a Democrat
BlueCaliDem
Jan 2017
#82
Yep, he trashed the party continuously and his supporters trashed Hillary continuously . . .
brush
Jan 2017
#85
Somewhere in the bowels of the Beltway Democrats, he was permitted?! Da Horror!!
Eleanors38
Jan 2017
#200
And yet, Bernie has been the most visible Democratic voice since the election
Fiendish Thingy
Jan 2017
#135
Bernie will not be gone - he's out there fighting the progressive cause right now!!
womanofthehills
Jan 2017
#355
Good article. A large majority of the DEMOCRATIC party chose Clinton in the Primary and General.
Lil Missy
Jan 2017
#9
Others can be found if one looks but I do understand that his criticism ruffles some.
NWCorona
Jan 2017
#41
Pretty good, actually. 2.9 million more votes for her over tRump. Nearly 4 million more for her
BlueCaliDem
Jan 2017
#121
Even before the convention he abandoned the Party and registered for re-election in 2018 as "I"!
George II
Jan 2017
#389
I can't believe that someone alerted this as "bashing Democratic public figures"!!!
George II
Jan 2017
#54
Not only that but the person who is presumably being "bashed" (which he isn't!).....
George II
Jan 2017
#60
There are a lot of progressives who have become independents because they have lost faith in the
RDANGELO
Jan 2017
#61
that's not true-- but we had a primary and he was beaten fairly clearly
Fast Walker 52
Jan 2017
#393
that may be true, but this election was an obvious choice, and if they didn't vote for HRC
Fast Walker 52
Jan 2017
#392
How is Ellison not a progressive? I think you're crossing into non-reality land.
RBInMaine
Jan 2017
#235
he's not saying corporations are bad. He's saying letting them run the henhouse is bad. Nt
JCanete
Jan 2017
#114
It could very likely ensure a conflict of interest, and certainly a very particular world-view, that
JCanete
Jan 2017
#150
Where are all these wonderful bills Bernie got through congress protecting our entitlements?
bravenak
Jan 2017
#178
and if he does the god damn libertarians and greens will poll as much as the dems
dembotoz
Jan 2017
#199
Keith Ellison is a Democrat heavily involved in the Minnesota's Democratic Party (the DFL).
Eric J in MN
Jan 2017
#144
The Democratic Party chooses to let decline to state voters select its candidate for president.
David__77
Jan 2017
#175
I am hoping that the party will outlaw caucuses and encourage more closed primaries next cycle
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#264
So are the Jewish, African American and Latino voters who rejected sanders part of the party?
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#265
Nope. I am working against FUTURE non democrats being in the position to harm us.
bravenak
Jan 2017
#186
Agree!!! That job should be reserved for the Ben Nelsons and Max Baucuses and Joe Liebermans of the
Hassin Bin Sober
Jan 2017
#184
They would never make it to super tuesday in a primary and they are not going to be around long
bravenak
Jan 2017
#190
Your vast experience is why Value your considerable input on Democratic party issues as much as I do
Hassin Bin Sober
Jan 2017
#244
I am not the one looking for a purity test. I simply want my team to wear the same jerseys
bravenak
Jan 2017
#224
I can't see a reason for an alert. The closest would be "don't bash Democratic public figures"....
George II
Jan 2017
#252
Sanders platform was based on unrealistic assumptions about a so-called revolution
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#262
But I want to know as well - why won't he join the Democratic Party? What's the problem?
JHan
Jan 2017
#299
It makes a difference because he is critiquing the structure and inner workings of the party.
JHan
Jan 2017
#308
He's an Independent. He drew massive crowds in the primary which surprised the hell out of the
jalan48
Jan 2017
#310
I guess you will need to ask him. He's an Independent and right now that's an attractive thing.
jalan48
Jan 2017
#315
You're missing a key word here-"some". The "it's all black and white" approach fails again.
jalan48
Jan 2017
#433
My thing with him is that he was defending that bullshit coming outta the Farrakhan tribe
bravenak
Jan 2017
#267
It's one thing to not want the guy to be president...fine, that's your call...
Ken Burch
Jan 2017
#271
We don't have to reject the candidate Bernie supports for DNC chair to hang on to black voters.
Ken Burch
Jan 2017
#316
I respect your anger, but I don't actually hold the views you said I hold in that post.
Ken Burch
Jan 2017
#444
I totally support him and I think he will bring us together, rather than divide us
bravenak
Jan 2017
#277
where does Tom Perez stand on marijuana legalization? Has he said? Does anybody know?
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2017
#282
I'm sure you agree that, going forward, silence or pretending it's not a "serious" issue
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2017
#289
I'm used to outright hostility so somebody that will stfu if opposed is almost heavenly
bravenak
Jan 2017
#293
DWS was working with Sheldon Adelson & running to the times with "reefer madness" tropes.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2017
#295
This Bozo Rosenstein and his ilk had no problems supporting Holy Joe Lieberman
Larkspur
Jan 2017
#321
If I never hear his name or his voice ever again, I'll be tickled pink. I quit Rachel's show this..
Tarheel_Dem
Jan 2017
#324
Crab all you want about Bernie, but he is the ONLY person yet alone the only Senator who is STILL
napi21
Jan 2017
#330
I never called him a god! If he & Warren are not the only ones fighting, tell me who else have
napi21
Jan 2017
#398
The congressional black caucus is fighting like mad. Not busy trashing dems and hawking a book
bravenak
Jan 2017
#418
I don't doubt you, buttt you all need to find out how to get in the daily news. Copy the Con
napi21
Jan 2017
#429
Sanders ran for media coverage and is in the process of selling his latest book
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#339
The DNC opened our primary to allow Sanders to run, he said he would accept the DNC rules
Thinkingabout
Jan 2017
#397
Rosenstein is a moron. There's nothing insightful to his diatribe of fantasy land wannabe kingmaker
Exilednight
Jan 2017
#413
Because of Sanders continued support, Hillary 'changed' enough to win the popular vote by millions.
Sunlei
Jan 2017
#445
We're still in that vague period in which any criticism of Sanders is bullying
LanternWaste
Jan 2017
#458