2016 Postmortem

Warren DeMontague

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9. fine, but stomping our feet and screaming "not fair" isn't gonna fix it. Even if it's not fair.

Sun Jan 8, 2017, 06:51 PM

Jan 2017

I don't understand the petulant insistence that there is NO ROOM for improvement in our party, its approach, its leadership. Obviously we can do better.

Look at Florida. Florida passed a medical marijuana amendment with over 70% of the vote, an initiative that Debbie Wasserman Schultz (the public face of the DNC) spent the past several years railing against, working with Sheldon Adelson to stop, etc.

You think that hurt us in Florida? I do.

We can't fix gerrymandering if we don't control those statehouses to begin with.

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What went wrong with the Democratic Party? Three big failures that led to the current debacle [View all] lancelyons Jan 2017 OP

There is only one thing that went wrong in the 2016 presidential election and had little to do with Trust Buster Jan 2017 #1

The op tells precisely why so few people voted. They gave up on the democrats. George Eliot Jan 2017 #2

Sorry, I'm not buying it. You didn't have to be a fan of the Democratic Party to know that Trump Trust Buster Jan 2017 #3

This is about more than just Trump. It's about Republicans controlling... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #5

That can happen via gerrymandering and voter suppression uponit7771 Jan 2017 #8

fine, but stomping our feet and screaming "not fair" isn't gonna fix it. Even if it's not fair. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #9

You're right, I advocate doing something strange.. very strange like ... calling the capital police uponit7771 Jan 2017 #10

I guess. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #11

OK, how are we going to win back anything if Russia can hack every election?!? Are they going to ... uponit7771 Jan 2017 #12

They didnt hack the election, they hacked the DNC's email. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #13

If DU people are poorly informed, we are lost. Thanks for good arguments. snowy owl Jan 2017 #23

There isnt any evidence, I've seen, that they hacked the physical vote count. LenaBaby61 Jan 2017 #36

it's tough to prove a negative. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #38

when was there ever any meaningful search for this evidence? nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #45

Please read the report, they hacked the state and local election board in serveral states and that uponit7771 Jan 2017 #41

..which report? Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #42

really? the intel report uponit7771 Jan 2017 #43

OK, how are we going to win back anything if Russia can hack every election?!? LenaBaby61 Jan 2017 #34

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #44

we need all paper ballots, all hand-counted, all the time. it's not that hard. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #46

While I think the article from the OP makes many good points... Garrett78 Jan 2017 #17

maybe, yes. But it's undeniable that the electorate in general is trending in certain directions. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #22

WA isn't so safe. Our state house has several blue dog Dems-we pay the price by getting little done. snowy owl Jan 2017 #24

Not at this magnitude. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #15

Agreed. Big changes are necessary and it isn't personalities. Policies have to change. snowy owl Jan 2017 #26

Messaging needs to improve and we need to put up a better fight. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #48

Yup. Agreed. nt riderinthestorm Jan 2017 #47

Thanks. I'm glad someone else on this board... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #49

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #7

+1000000 JHan Jan 2017 #33

You should read the whole piece lastone Jan 2017 #35

4: Taking the West Coast for granted & ignoring cannabis/treating the issue like a big joke Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #4

We fucked up on this issue bravenak Jan 2017 #27

Yup! A poster here mentioned Florida and medical Marijuana NWCorona Jan 2017 #31

I think part of the problem is, these beltway conventional wisdom consultants are largely Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #37

We are always late to the damn party bravenak Jan 2017 #39

4: Minimize effect of comey, russia and voter suppression in analysis and blame the victim uponit7771 Jan 2017 #6

The points raised in the article have to do with the Republican Party's ability... Garrett78 Jan 2017 #25

Dems play too nice--even the Pres. who I still greatly admire/respect played too nice with the GOP. LenaBaby61 Jan 2017 #40

Good (albeit embarrassing) article. I'm still miffed about what was allowed to happen to ACORN. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #14

Me, too. And remember the black official that Obama fired without knowing full story. snowy owl Jan 2017 #28

Oh, So Now Salon's Concerned Me. Jan 2017 #16

I disagree with some of the narratives that have followed the 2016 election. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #18

I Respect Your Point Of View But Think They Have A Lot Of Nerve Me. Jan 2017 #20

I think purists who discard the good for the perfect can be problematic. However... Garrett78 Jan 2017 #32

You're blaming Salon? Enough with blame. snowy owl Jan 2017 #29

First Off Me. Jan 2017 #30

Mistake 2: Unrequited Bipartisanship SMC22307 Jan 2017 #19

The few holdout pragmatist seem to think repeat failure is an option. Rex Jan 2017 #21