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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: White progressive analysis of politics is fundamentally broken. [View all]forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)161. How do you get the votes to restructure society
when a lot of Americans think like this:
We can't have a handful of individuals having the combined wealth of millions of Americans and expect people not to be swayed by "it's that other group of poor people's fault".
The fact that people are swayed by "it's that other group of poor people's fault" is WHY we can't restructure society. A huge part of Steinbeck's observation of the American (white) poor seeing themselves as "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" is that the psychological wage of racism allow themselves to see themselves as superior to "those people" instead of seeing themselves as objectively in the same class. Therefore they don't need "handouts" or "assistance" because they're "hard working" unlike "those people"
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forjusticethunders
Jan 2017
OP
Workers forming unions in low-pay countries is good for those workers but my fear...
brush
Jan 2017
#78
That is certainly the way I interpreted it, but I'm happy to be educated on this matter if anyone
JCanete
Jan 2017
#151
I have always advocated for protectionism that has a basis on proper living standards of the workers
JCanete
Jan 2017
#178
"the productivity of a HS worker here is greater than a low skilled worker in Vietnam"
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#180
It may be fluff like you said previously, but the language is there. But will it be enforced?
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#157
The problem is that this analysis is "right" but it's also tactically useless.
forjusticethunders
Jan 2017
#9
Do you actually believe that Sanders SUPPORTERS(I'm not talking about Bernie-he's just one voice)
Ken Burch
Jan 2017
#141
I particularly loathe it when people claim bernie supporters don't care about
dionysus
Jan 2017
#212
Racism is largely what enables that economic injustice and corporate domination.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#12
That's true and it makes it hard to talk to certain groups of people about racial injustice, because
dionysus
Jan 2017
#214
What people don't get, in spite of forjusticethunder's excellent explanation, is...
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#22
I think we should work together to find a new leader we both sides can get behind
bravenak
Jan 2017
#38
Bigotry isn't intrinsic and it isn't for nothing. Sure, not being at the bottom might be
JCanete
Jan 2017
#94
absent racism, the Republican Party would cease to be a viable institution
Grey Lemercier
Jan 2017
#147
Yep, replying to my own post to share 2 excerpts from Obama's speech last night:
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#171
That is right, and it was awesome to hear him point that out. He also said that we need to listen to
JCanete
Jan 2017
#175
God! This is not rocket science. We have to fight both equally, especially since a huge part of ...
brush
Jan 2017
#65
It is, but if the framing isn't right, it can backfire. White people in poverty, in areas that don'
dionysus
Jan 2017
#213
If you can be driven away because discussions about racism, you were never with us to begin with n/t
kcr
Jan 2017
#97
People here are not "discussing racism." They are assuming that people are racists.
NoGoodNamesLeft
Jan 2017
#126
Okay, but do you do it for the personal reward of it or because it's right? If you're doing
JCanete
Jan 2017
#133
those are words to live by, but my point in one of the threads about being careful about a
JCanete
Jan 2017
#140
I said that because I have been trying for weeks to have productive conversation, however
NoGoodNamesLeft
Jan 2017
#189
Typically the message has been "Trump voters can fuck off," which I also disagree with on both
JCanete
Jan 2017
#127
There is a MASSIVE difference between ingrained biases in society and racism
NoGoodNamesLeft
Jan 2017
#131
But that is strategy, and I totally agree with it, versus your own personal sensitivity to it, which
JCanete
Jan 2017
#134
trump voters or trump supporters? That is, people actually fond of trump, or people who helped to
JCanete
Jan 2017
#193
I'm going to presume that most of his Birther supporters identified in the poll voted for him.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#197
It's unfortunate you think the post is a personal attack against all white people:
JHan
Jan 2017
#95
People being opposed to immigration is not usually about racism, it's about the economy too
NoGoodNamesLeft
Jan 2017
#128
Then perhaps the OP should not have singled out white people in the thread title
NoGoodNamesLeft
Jan 2017
#86
Building a multiracial alliance is not easy but it can be done with concerted effort.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#25
No, they don't. They vote against their interests because they believe lies.
NoGoodNamesLeft
Jan 2017
#74
Before there is any hope of having a meaningful conversation about racism,
Dark n Stormy Knight
Jan 2017
#206
Unfortunately, I think it would be like passing legislation requiring us to all love one another.
jalan48
Jan 2017
#109
Dividing groups in society against one another to gain power goes back thousands of years.
jalan48
Jan 2017
#114
How do we get the votes? By reaching out to others and showing them who the real enemy is.
jalan48
Jan 2017
#162
While society has enlightened itself, however slowly, over time and continues
dionysus
Jan 2017
#215
I've read it 4 times now, but still don't get what the OP is trying to say. (nt)
PotatoChip
Jan 2017
#27
The only way to take down the oligarchy is to end the racism they invented to keep
bravenak
Jan 2017
#45
Labor in the white skin can never free itself as long as labor in the black skin is branded.
forjusticethunders
Jan 2017
#47
Why do working class whites vote for policies that actively screw them?
forjusticethunders
Jan 2017
#49
Our generation is really progressive, though white millennials still broke for Trump.
forjusticethunders
Jan 2017
#63
unfortunately the post Millennials (iGen, Gen Z, whatever you wish to call them, people born post
Grey Lemercier
Jan 2017
#150
I'm very skeptical about this. Everybody in the 14-18 age cohort I've interacted with
forjusticethunders
Jan 2017
#155
yes absolutely. But that means we have to look at the people using the tools. We can't fix this
JCanete
Jan 2017
#50
You have to tie that racist brainwashing to the money. That kind of means you have to show them
JCanete
Jan 2017
#70
yeah, there are things that can be done here for sure. Case by case is a little slow, but of course,
JCanete
Jan 2017
#118
Yes, I agree that conversations about race can't be for a later date. Focusing on its usage as a
JCanete
Jan 2017
#120
I have a big crush on your posts, forjusticethunders. Thank you and moar please.
betsuni
Jan 2017
#98
The ACA-Obamacare dichotomy would be funny if it wasn't so damn consequential.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#142
The Republicans always run on the economy when they win. Trump certainly did.
Kentonio
Jan 2017
#152
Hillary won "economy" voters and lost "immigration and terrorism" voters.
forjusticethunders
Jan 2017
#154
The Democratic electorate is diverse but divided, and not great enough in number.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#164
It's the whole media in different ways, and radio is absolutely still a big part of it, but yep...
JCanete
Jan 2017
#165
"...no American worker movement will succeed so long as racism remains rampant in America."
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#201
Decimation of unions was enabled by racism. And addressing racism is key to labor movement success.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#203
But unions have been successful in the past when racism was even stronger than it is now.
Willie Pep
Jan 2017
#204