2016 Postmortem

kenfrequed

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3. The article is wrong about Stein

Wed Jan 18, 2017, 03:32 PM

Jan 2017

Stein was almost a non-factor and if you subtract the numbers of people that voted for her in 2012 or the greens in 2008 it is reduced to even less of a factor.

If your campaign relies on getting all of the votes of a third party candidate, when half of those that vote for that candidate vote third party every year, then your campaign is inviting defeat and failure.

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Why Hillary Lost: An Exhaustive Look [View all] tgards79 Jan 2017 OP

Except that she didn't lose... TheDebbieDee Jan 2017 #1

Except she did lose in states that Democrats usually win. jonno99 Jan 2017 #5

of course 11 days before the election, comey releasing the letter to the republicans in still_one Jan 2017 #14

She lost under the stupid electoral college rules we're stuck with. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #8

There were a lot of factors, but I think what dealt the worst blow was the FBI interference still_one Jan 2017 #15

Yes, she did. Trump is president. You know how the system works. dionysus Jan 2017 #19

Sec Clinton got more votes, point blank! TheDebbieDee Jan 2017 #23

The winner is whoever wins the electoral college, you know this! She got more dionysus Jan 2017 #24

For analysis, see: states the campaign neglected Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2017 #41

That would be nice BeyondGeography Jan 2017 #28

Coulda, woulda, shoulda. Time to move on. democratisphere Jan 2017 #2

The article is wrong about Stein kenfrequed Jan 2017 #3

Good point. It's too binary to assume every single vote of hers would go to Clinton underpants Jan 2017 #30

Rather than saying "white working class," why don't they just say "racists?" Hoyt Jan 2017 #4

Beacuse that will guarantee more Democrat losses in the future. nt jonno99 Jan 2017 #6

Yeah, we need to attract racists to the Party. Do I need a sarcasm thingie? Hoyt Jan 2017 #7

Joe disagrees with your analysis - jonno99 Jan 2017 #10

Because "non college whites with middling income" are not all racist? dionysus Jan 2017 #25

I'm sorry, it is obvious Trump is a racist. I think voting for him is too. Hoyt Jan 2017 #45

No need to apologize, trump caters massively to racists, or is a racist himself. dionysus Jan 2017 #47

The media danced around that for his whole campaign underpants Jan 2017 #31

If we treated the pro-union part of the white working class as part of our base (which they are) 40yearyellowdog Jan 2017 #35

Oh, they voted for an obvious racist because they were called racists. Hoyt Jan 2017 #44

I think they voted for the one they thought would work to create jobs in their hometowns and didn't 40yearyellowdog Jan 2017 #49

So greed and racism. Their "white plight" is so bad, they'll accept the racist Trump. Ain't right. Hoyt Jan 2017 #50

Agree with every single word of this -great summary of all the factors (except for one) pkdu Jan 2017 #9

Yes no one mentions that or other suppression moved underpants Jan 2017 #33

Heartily agree.... and this is something WE ALWAYS TEND TO OVERLOOK... Raster Jan 2017 #53

Marking for later read underpants Jan 2017 #11

Let's ignore the fact that since 2013 14 states added restrictive voter and voter ID requirements. still_one Jan 2017 #12

???? tgards79 Jan 2017 #17

I told ya, the mere subject will make heads explode, some will go nuts and not even dionysus Jan 2017 #26

You got that right! tgards79 Jan 2017 #46

I did read the frigging thing, and my head DIDN'T explode. I don't agree that the reason she lost still_one Jan 2017 #56

Yes I did. I believe the effect was greater because of the 47% who didn't vote. still_one Jan 2017 #55

I think most of the voter ID laws were overturned, or there were ways around them. Agree on Comey Hoyt Jan 2017 #51

Not entirely true. In North Carolina, thousands of voters were removed from the voting roster. The still_one Jan 2017 #54

I got purged from rolls too in a town I had not voted in in 10 years because I moved. Hoyt Jan 2017 #57

That isn't why the NAACP won the case against North Carolina for the purging of the votes. still_one Jan 2017 #58

That's why it's important to check your registration, vote often, etc. Hoyt Jan 2017 #59

you mean North Carolina? still_one Jan 2017 #60

Sorry, although not a big difference nowadays. Hoyt Jan 2017 #61

North Carolina was pretty close, and Roy Cooper did get in as Governor, I would like to think my still_one Jan 2017 #62

Lived in Raleigh 50+ years ago. You are right, NC is not always red. I'm south of U. Hoyt Jan 2017 #63

I am saddened that he repeats the false claim that Trump did better than Romney among Latinos. StevieM Jan 2017 #13

Is this the claim you are referring to? Uponthegears Jan 2017 #32

Yep, that's the one. I hate that this fictitious claim is still being widely referenced as if StevieM Jan 2017 #37

I liked your link Uponthegears Jan 2017 #39

How many different ways can you say Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #16

Agreed underpants Jan 2017 #34

Its a good piece, but sayong "read it and weep" is a bit trollish... dionysus Jan 2017 #18

Apologies tgards79 Jan 2017 #21

Thanks. I thought it covered everything except GOP voter suppression, which sadly dionysus Jan 2017 #22

A bit? nt JTFrog Jan 2017 #43

One shouldn't forget the media. LisaL Jan 2017 #20

Here's my breakdown 60% was airtime. underpants Jan 2017 #36

From the article... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #27

"If everyone who voted for Jill Stein in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin had voted for Hillary 40yearyellowdog Jan 2017 #29

With 11 days to go she was in good enough shape to win even without those votes. StevieM Jan 2017 #38

Comey n/t Lil Missy Jan 2017 #40

Not this shit again. JTFrog Jan 2017 #42

If it is shit you are worried about... tgards79 Jan 2017 #48

fuck putin and t-rump. stonecutter357 Jan 2017 #52