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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Reticence created an enthuism gap [View all]Gothmog
(157,236 posts)30. The Clinton campaign treated Sanders with kid gloves
VOX had a good article on the potential lines of attack that Sanders would be exposed to if Sanders was the nominee. http://www.vox.com/2016/2/3/10903404/gop-campaign-against-sanders One of the more interesting observations in the VOX analysis is the fact that Sanders have been treated with kids gloves compared to what Sanders would face if he was the Democratic nominee. I strongly agree with the VOX's position that the so-called negative attacks against Sander have been mild. Form the article:
I have no interest in litigating any of these attacks here. Like any Democrat elected president in 2016, Sanders wouldn't be able to get much done, but he would block attempts to roll back Obama's accomplishments and have a chance to fill a few Supreme Court vacancies.
When Sanders supporters discuss these attacks, though, they do so in tones of barely contained outrage, as though it is simply disgusting what they have to put up with. Questioning the practical achievability of single-payer health care. Impugning the broad electoral appeal of socialism. Is nothing sacred?
But c'mon. This stuff is patty-cakes compared with the brutalization he would face at the hands of the right in a general election.
His supporters would need to recalibrate their umbrage-o-meters in a serious way.
When Sanders supporters discuss these attacks, though, they do so in tones of barely contained outrage, as though it is simply disgusting what they have to put up with. Questioning the practical achievability of single-payer health care. Impugning the broad electoral appeal of socialism. Is nothing sacred?
But c'mon. This stuff is patty-cakes compared with the brutalization he would face at the hands of the right in a general election.
His supporters would need to recalibrate their umbrage-o-meters in a serious way.
Again, I agree with the VOX position that so far, Sanders Was not been subject to negative attacks close to what the GOP would use against Sanders and the attacks against Sanders if he was the nominee would be brutal. I urge Sanders supporters to read the VOX article to start to get a feel for what real negative attacks would look like. The Sanders supporters over-reacted to anyone who did not treat sanders as a saint and so the Clinton campaign made the decision to treat Sanders with kid gloves.
At the national convention, the Clinton delegates were told that the Sanders delegates had to be treated with kid gloves because they were so prone to acting up. I saw this first hand. The Sanders delegates at the National Convention were not vetted at all and many of the Sanders delegates did a great deal of damage to the premise of the OP that the Sanders wing is destined to be the dominant faction in the Democratic party
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agreements between Obama and Clinton were almost certainly made to achieve that result, or at least
JCanete
Jan 2017
#3
no, they were not nice, they were assholes . booing her during her convention speech
JI7
Jan 2017
#8
it was more than a few. i'm sure they cheered when trump won. just look at that website
JI7
Jan 2017
#11
that's my point. those types made up many "bernie supporters" although i said their
JI7
Jan 2017
#14
wow...so that was rude. I didn't peddle a rumor. I wasn't referring to a rumor. I'm not even
JCanete
Jan 2017
#21
This is politics. Every cabinet position that is filled is a consideration of politics. Each is
JCanete
Jan 2017
#38
Any version of that kind of talk is not substantiated by any credible information out there..
JHan
Jan 2017
#39
are you saying right now that people don't negotiate things in Washington? You are focusing solely
JCanete
Jan 2017
#42
I don't think you can accept that politics is a reality, and then say all that matters is
JCanete
Jan 2017
#54
Sorry, we remember that Obama had to work very hard to convince her to sign on as SOS
emulatorloo
Jan 2017
#46
Sanders attacked Hillary Clinton and trump directly and accurately quoted Sanders attacks. In the r
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#29
The system is rigged. It really really is Goth. That you are part of the Democratic Establishment
JCanete
Jan 2017
#37
You really believe that change just happens from inside without a push from the outside to make it
JCanete
Jan 2017
#47
That article about Cory's vote shows that it wasn't a "battle of hastings" to fight..
JHan
Jan 2017
#49
Yes, but a fundamental component to knowing you're on the right track with your insider politicians
JCanete
Jan 2017
#53
corporate media has an agenda oh yes, but also the resources to blast it everywhere, in every
JCanete
Jan 2017
#58
Look, I've never felt like Clinton has been leading a charge on any of those things. If she has
JCanete
Jan 2017
#60
we're missing each others...my opinion is that we won't have good candidates if we don't demand that
JCanete
Jan 2017
#62
Oh fuck.. I never said the primary process was rigged by the way. OUR ENTIRE SYTEM IS RIGGED.
JCanete
Jan 2017
#50
what's interesting is that the White Working Class Supported Hillary over Obama in 2008
JI7
Jan 2017
#7
Bernie's not ruthless. But Weaver's incompetent. Went from issues to scorched earth
emulatorloo
Jan 2017
#48
there was massive hacking, or people lied in exit polls and pre-election polls or both
Fast Walker 52
Jan 2017
#40
Don't you get it Josh? Only women are expected to concede and help the man win.
boston bean
Jan 2017
#33