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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: In under the wire... I am still very angry with Bernie Sanders [View all]Gothmog
(154,441 posts)26. Sanders was a very weak general election candidate who would have been destroyed in the general
The Sanders campaign did not appeal to many demographic groups (including the Jewish vote) for a host of reasons. One good reason is that Sanders repeatedly attacked President Obama which alienated a large number of key demographic groups. There is a vast difference in how Sanders supporters and Sanders view President Obama and how other Democrats view President Obama. I admit that I am impressed with the amount accomplished by President Obama in face of the stiff GOP opposition to every one of his proposals and I personally believe that President Obama has been a great President. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/clinton-sanders-obama_us_56aa378de4b05e4e3703753a?utm_hp_ref=politics
But lurking behind this argument about the future is a dispute that's really about the past. Its a debate over what Obama accomplished in office -- in particular, how significant those accomplishments really are. And it's been simmering on the left for most of the last seven years.
On one side of this divide are activists and intellectuals who are ambivalent, disappointed or flat-out frustrated with what Obama has gotten done. They acknowledge what they consider modest achievements -- like helping some of the uninsured and preventing the Great Recession from becoming another Great Depression. But they are convinced that the president could have accomplished much more if only hed fought harder for his agenda and been less quick to compromise.
They dwell on the opportunities missed, like the lack of a public option in health care reform or the failure to break up the big banks. They want those things now -- and more. In Sanders, they are hearing a candidate who thinks the same way.
On the other side are partisans and thinkers who consider Obama's achievements substantial, even historic. They acknowledge that his victories were partial and his legislation flawed. This group recognizes that there are still millions of people struggling to find good jobs or pay their medical bills, and that the planet is still on a path to catastrophically high temperatures. But they see in the last seven years major advances in the liberal crusade to bolster economic security for the poor and middle class. They think the progress on climate change is real, and likely to beget more in the future.
On one side of this divide are activists and intellectuals who are ambivalent, disappointed or flat-out frustrated with what Obama has gotten done. They acknowledge what they consider modest achievements -- like helping some of the uninsured and preventing the Great Recession from becoming another Great Depression. But they are convinced that the president could have accomplished much more if only hed fought harder for his agenda and been less quick to compromise.
They dwell on the opportunities missed, like the lack of a public option in health care reform or the failure to break up the big banks. They want those things now -- and more. In Sanders, they are hearing a candidate who thinks the same way.
On the other side are partisans and thinkers who consider Obama's achievements substantial, even historic. They acknowledge that his victories were partial and his legislation flawed. This group recognizes that there are still millions of people struggling to find good jobs or pay their medical bills, and that the planet is still on a path to catastrophically high temperatures. But they see in the last seven years major advances in the liberal crusade to bolster economic security for the poor and middle class. They think the progress on climate change is real, and likely to beget more in the future.
Again, I am not ashamed to admit that I like President Obama and think that he has accomplished a great deal which is why I did not mind Hillary Clinton promising to continue President Obama's legacy. There are valid reasons why many non-African American democrats (me included) and many African American Democratic voters did not support Sanders and will have issues with Keith Ellison as DNC chair.
I like living in the real world. In the real world there were valid reasons why Sanders was rejected by key demographic groups and you can not pretend that these groups will support Sanders plans to remake the Democratic Party in his own image with Ellison.
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That's shallow as hell. Eco omic justice for all is good for america. If you want to shit on that
dionysus
Jan 2017
#2
What the fuck good is economic justice if we have a nuclear war or if someone as
Eliot Rosewater
Jan 2017
#6
90% of Bernie supporters voted proudly for Clinton.. I was one of them.. We NEED move on now, and
secondwind
Jan 2017
#115
I don't blame Bernie, but I do hold a grudge at those progressives who refused to vote for Hillary
still_one
Jan 2017
#133
Not enough, especially young voters. Bernie's attacks hurt their views of Hillary,
pnwmom
Jan 2017
#155
+1, this is the FACT that Sanders, M$M and Sanders supporters wont admit too... HRC Young vote was
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#161
You must have a fucked up idea of utopia. Please detail what you abhor so much. I'm dying to hear it
dionysus
Jan 2017
#16
My identity as a black woman fighting for the rights of those who look like me
bravenak
Jan 2017
#40
Aside from maybe suggesting the use of paragraphs, you think he's racist, don't you?
dionysus
Jan 2017
#42
I think he is a throw back to the split between economic justice and social justice in the late
bravenak
Jan 2017
#44
Not so at all. She got 3 million more votes, remember? Are you purposely ignoring the elephant in ..
brush
Jan 2017
#19
Sanders was a very weak general election candidate who would have been destroyed in the general
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#26
You know you post this constantly and without fail people pretend they don't know those points...
JHan
Jan 2017
#73
As the saying goes, "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it."
George II
Jan 2017
#107
The DNC had nothing to do with the fact that Jewish, African American and Latino voters rejected
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#34
Sanders was in the race for media and was rejected by Jewish, Latino and African American voters
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#38
Still preferred them, and until we have actual politicians in power promoting them, we cant
Eliot Rosewater
Jan 2017
#21
Exactly how many how many new/magical voters did Sanders need for his proposals?
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#41
I think if the campaign and their surrogates made the primary campaign about...
Hassin Bin Sober
Jan 2017
#30
You must have responded in the wrong place or didn't read my post. Try again.
Hassin Bin Sober
Jan 2017
#32
No, i responded and assumed you were criticizing Hillary's campaign, not Bernie's
Eliot Rosewater
Jan 2017
#39
Nah, bullshit point. Bernie's a sitting Senator. HRC is a private citizen.
emulatorloo
Jan 2017
#134
I am sure you will still be allowed to trash Bernie once this forum is closed down.
m-lekktor
Jan 2017
#25
Whats she supposed to say? She doesnt hold office anywhere currently and anything she says against
cstanleytech
Jan 2017
#145
It sure did help Donald Trump. It was over a year of slamming the party without being
R B Garr
Jan 2017
#53
Sanders claimed that the DNC rigged the process and Trump ran with this bogus claim
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#77
I thought that there were emails showing some of the DNC leadership were working against Bernie?
cstanleytech
Jan 2017
#147
The DNC had nothing to do with Sanders being soundly rejected by Jewish, African American and Latino
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#168
Umm I'm not making any case for Bernie here I am simply asking a question.
cstanleytech
Jan 2017
#180
Don't be angry at Bernie because it will keep you from seeing who he really is
underthematrix
Jan 2017
#37
You felt it? and a comment that I said he shits on people's hearts?? mmmmmkay...
boston bean
Jan 2017
#47
Nonsense. It was his right to run, and he's not the one who stole this election.
tenorly
Jan 2017
#50
Even though I disagree with you I understand your frustration. This was a hard and bitter election
NWCorona
Jan 2017
#58
I feel exactly the same way..but we have to move on...what else can we do?..nt
asuhornets
Jan 2017
#59
Yes. . .campaigning with her after the convention is worse than calling her a nasty woman
Feeling the Bern
Jan 2017
#86
Yes, I see it too. But, I guess finger pointing is easier than mirror looking.
Feeling the Bern
Jan 2017
#112
I see a bunch of revisionist history that is erasing the negative campaign Weaver ran for NY
emulatorloo
Jan 2017
#138
Bernie's not the devil. Nor is HRC, despite your half-truths and innuendo.
emulatorloo
Jan 2017
#148
Nope. I am backing out of this flamebait thread. This entire thread should have been
Feeling the Bern
Jan 2017
#150
Even though I believe his refusal to concede helped weaken Hillary a little against Trump
cstanleytech
Jan 2017
#82
I am actually upset that he pulled his punches. If he had gone after the email scandal full throttle
yodermon
Jan 2017
#85
Actually, in 2008 she announced that she would be suspending her campaign less than 24 hours
StevieM
Jan 2017
#119
No one can handle being torn down consummately by anyone. It always takes down numbers and
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#164
I am angry at those progressives who refused to vote for Hillary in the general election.
still_one
Jan 2017
#132
Thats their right though but they like those who voted for Trump will have to learn to
cstanleytech
Jan 2017
#144
Anger doesn't even begin to describe my contempt. The constant ridiculing of the only viable....
Tarheel_Dem
Jan 2017
#154