2016 Postmortem

Gothmog

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176. I was a national convention delegate

Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:17 AM

Jan 2017

Each candidate had approval rights over their delegates. The Clinton delegates were carefully vetted. The Sanders delegates were either not vetted or were selected on whether they hated the Democratic party. At the Texas Democratic Party Convention, a Sanders delegate was duly elected by his caucus but was removed and replaced by a BOB. The replaced Sanders delegate would not say that he hated Clinton and so had to be removed. Again, this was an action taken by the Sanders campaign directly.

The Clinton campaign had a "whipping infrastructure" and we saw everything that Sanders sent to his delegates and had reports of every meeting that Sanders had with his delegates. Sanders sent one text message to his supporters that was very weak and never told his supporters to stop attacking Clinton delegates. I was at the delegation breakfast where the younger sanders delegates marched in with linked arms to demand that we condemn Clinton and vote for Sanders. The next morning Sanders came to our delegation (this has been scheduled for a while) and did not apologize. Sanders spent the entire time talking about himself and only mentioned Hillary Clinton as he was leaving the room.

The claim that Sanders did everything to convince his followers to support Hillary Clinton is not consistent with what I saw at the convention.

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In under the wire... I am still very angry with Bernie Sanders [View all] boston bean Jan 2017 OP

I am too bravenak Jan 2017 #1

That's shallow as hell. Eco omic justice for all is good for america. If you want to shit on that dionysus Jan 2017 #2

What the fuck good is economic justice if we have a nuclear war or if someone as Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #6

Again, most all bernie supporters voted for her. This continual blaming dionysus Jan 2017 #24

Nah, too many of them voted 3rd party Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #29

How many? Got any figures? There isnt many of them. dionysus Jan 2017 #56

90% of Bernie supporters voted proudly for Clinton.. I was one of them.. We NEED move on now, and secondwind Jan 2017 #115

But too many of them did NOT vote for Clinton. George II Jan 2017 #95

Thanks dionysus zentrum Jan 2017 #131

+1,000 Pretty much the way I am seeing it also. Bohunk68 Jan 2017 #162

I don't blame Bernie, but I do hold a grudge at those progressives who refused to vote for Hillary still_one Jan 2017 #133

Not enough, especially young voters. Bernie's attacks hurt their views of Hillary, pnwmom Jan 2017 #155

+1, this is the FACT that Sanders, M$M and Sanders supporters wont admit too... HRC Young vote was uponit7771 Jan 2017 #161

I was a national convention delegate Gothmog Jan 2017 #176

He shits on what I believe is good for all bravenak Jan 2017 #14

You must have a fucked up idea of utopia. Please detail what you abhor so much. I'm dying to hear it dionysus Jan 2017 #16

My identity as a black woman fighting for the rights of those who look like me bravenak Jan 2017 #40

Aside from maybe suggesting the use of paragraphs, you think he's racist, don't you? dionysus Jan 2017 #42

I think he is a throw back to the split between economic justice and social justice in the late bravenak Jan 2017 #44

There's lots of work to do snpsmom Jan 2017 #103

If you are going to suggest she use paragraphs... NCTraveler Jan 2017 #91

I'm so sick of fake Democrats, aren't you? nikto Jan 2017 #60

Thx dionysus Jan 2017 #64

Where does poster 'shit on economic justice'? Hint: she doesn't emulatorloo Jan 2017 #136

+1000 stonecutter357 Jan 2017 #96

Same here Gothmog Jan 2017 #170

I will not let it go I guess bravenak Jan 2017 #173

"Dont bash Democratic Figures" Alert pkdu Jan 2017 #3

+1 (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jan 2017 #69

You gotta read what the rule says as per Skinner Feeling the Bern Jan 2017 #74

Many see the OP as "constructive criticism". George II Jan 2017 #105

And he never will be a Democratic Figure. stonecutter357 Jan 2017 #98

You gotta read what the rule says as per Skinner Feeling the Bern Jan 2017 #125

I don't gotta do shit, bernie IS NOT A Democratic party Member. stonecutter357 Jan 2017 #156

This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Jan 2017 #171

They also prohibit talking about the rules, lol. nt JTFrog Jan 2017 #175

The rule specifically mentions Bernie as a person who is included among those tblue37 Jan 2017 #117

They also prohibit talking about the rules, lol. nt JTFrog Jan 2017 #174

DU rules explicitly prohibit bashing him. JudyM Jan 2017 #127

They also prohibit talking about the rules, lol. nt JTFrog Jan 2017 #172

I prefer Bernie's politics in most cases, not all, to hers. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #4

Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #11

Not so at all. She got 3 million more votes, remember? Are you purposely ignoring the elephant in .. brush Jan 2017 #19

Sanders was a very weak general election candidate who would have been destroyed in the general Gothmog Jan 2017 #26

If Sanders was nominee then Bloomberg would have Run Chevy Jan 2017 #51

Yep Gothmog Jan 2017 #79

You know you post this constantly and without fail people pretend they don't know those points... JHan Jan 2017 #73

You can expose people to the facts Gothmog Jan 2017 #78

As the saying goes, "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it." George II Jan 2017 #107

The DNC had nothing to do with the fact that Jewish, African American and Latino voters rejected Gothmog Jan 2017 #34

Sanders was in the race for media and was rejected by Jewish, Latino and African American voters Gothmog Jan 2017 #38

Primary has nothing to do with the general HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #116

Have you bought his latest book yet? Gothmog Jan 2017 #169

Sanders proposals were all based on a magical and mythical voter revolution Gothmog Jan 2017 #20

Still preferred them, and until we have actual politicians in power promoting them, we cant Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #21

Ah, the same spam! You call bernies new deal era shit magical? dionysus Jan 2017 #35

Exactly how many how many new/magical voters did Sanders need for his proposals? Gothmog Jan 2017 #41

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I think if the campaign and their surrogates made the primary campaign about... Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2017 #30

Nonsense. What you are saying is Trump was preferred since Hillary Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #31

You must have responded in the wrong place or didn't read my post. Try again. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2017 #32

No, i responded and assumed you were criticizing Hillary's campaign, not Bernie's Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #39

Would you be celebrating an HRC win? nt msanthrope Jan 2017 #52

+1 NCTraveler Jan 2017 #93

The campaign was primarily about issues. George II Jan 2017 #111

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #163

The only positive thing I can think of about tomorrow The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #5

You may think it whining as is your right. boston bean Jan 2017 #7

I think it's whining too, and it's a pity because I think you lostnfound Jan 2017 #120

Yes! tecelote Jan 2017 #10

Yes but the hard feelings will not be going away anytime soon Gothmog Jan 2017 #18

It won't go away. It will just move to a different location. NWCorona Jan 2017 #54

Because nothing says "Democratic" like limiting discussion. (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jan 2017 #72

He Won't Stop Trashing Democrats otohara Jan 2017 #130

Oh, I'm betting it will not be done with. Bohunk68 Jan 2017 #165

'Politics ain't beanbag'... Talk Is Cheap Jan 2017 #8

Hillary wanted Obama to Win JI7 Jan 2017 #9

you are correct. She supported him 100% Justice Jan 2017 #12

If Sanders had never run for president I'd still like him very much. betsuni Jan 2017 #13

Well, that's helpful. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #15

Excellent poiny retrowire Jan 2017 #62

Nah, bullshit point. Bernie's a sitting Senator. HRC is a private citizen. emulatorloo Jan 2017 #134

What you are seeming to be saying is that anyone who is not Bohunk68 Jan 2017 #166

Same Here Gothmog Jan 2017 #17

I am too Nonhlanhla Jan 2017 #22

You seem nice Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2017 #23

I am sure you will still be allowed to trash Bernie once this forum is closed down. m-lekktor Jan 2017 #25

I'm still having a hard time listening to his voice. lamp_shade Jan 2017 #27

We noticed. CentralMass Jan 2017 #28

Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #33

As someone made the point up thread retrowire Jan 2017 #65

Sorry, Bernie said give Trump a chance as well. emulatorloo Jan 2017 #135

Whats she supposed to say? She doesnt hold office anywhere currently and anything she says against cstanleytech Jan 2017 #145

I currently see celebrities and all kinds of private citizens speaking up. retrowire Jan 2017 #159

No, The Systems Not Totally Rigged. But That Idea Sure Helped Donald Trump. Gothmog Jan 2017 #36

It sure did help Donald Trump. It was over a year of slamming the party without being R B Garr Jan 2017 #53

Sanders claimed that the DNC rigged the process and Trump ran with this bogus claim Gothmog Jan 2017 #77

I thought that there were emails showing some of the DNC leadership were working against Bernie? cstanleytech Jan 2017 #147

The DNC had nothing to do with Sanders being soundly rejected by Jewish, African American and Latino Gothmog Jan 2017 #168

Umm I'm not making any case for Bernie here I am simply asking a question. cstanleytech Jan 2017 #180

Don't be angry at Bernie because it will keep you from seeing who he really is underthematrix Jan 2017 #37

Just can't agree Chiquitita Jan 2017 #43

You read in this thread, me slamming Bernie supporters? boston bean Jan 2017 #45

Yeah, it felt that way Chiquitita Jan 2017 #46

You felt it? and a comment that I said he shits on people's hearts?? mmmmmkay... boston bean Jan 2017 #47

That wasn't your comment. Chiquitita Jan 2017 #48

They can't help it nikto Jan 2017 #71

They love losing onecaliberal Jan 2017 #92

Agree! He did a great disservice to Hillary and Democrats, and agree with R B Garr Jan 2017 #49

Nonsense. It was his right to run, and he's not the one who stole this election. tenorly Jan 2017 #50

Phew, be glad when this monotonous recrimination ends, at least officially. Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #55

He showed the most respect to her as an opponent retrowire Jan 2017 #57

I like yours better SammyWinstonJack Jan 2017 #102

Even though I disagree with you I understand your frustration. This was a hard and bitter election NWCorona Jan 2017 #58

I feel exactly the same way..but we have to move on...what else can we do?..nt asuhornets Jan 2017 #59

Not forget how the first female democratic nominee was treated. boston bean Jan 2017 #61

Neither will I...neither will I...nt asuhornets Jan 2017 #68

With the most respect any opponent could give? Won't forget that. Nt retrowire Jan 2017 #70

Sorry, Weaver made the decision to go negative for New York primary emulatorloo Jan 2017 #137

But we're talking about Bernie aren't we? Nt retrowire Jan 2017 #139

Don't piss on my shoes and tell me it's raining emulatorloo Jan 2017 #140

Maybe I'm missing something retrowire Jan 2017 #160

Yes. . .campaigning with her after the convention is worse than calling her a nasty woman Feeling the Bern Jan 2017 #86

Are you reading this cognitive dissonance? retrowire Jan 2017 #104

Yes, I see it too. But, I guess finger pointing is easier than mirror looking. Feeling the Bern Jan 2017 #112

I see a bunch of revisionist history that is erasing the negative campaign Weaver ran for NY emulatorloo Jan 2017 #138

Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #143

Bernie's not the devil. Nor is HRC, despite your half-truths and innuendo. emulatorloo Jan 2017 #148

Nope. I am backing out of this flamebait thread. This entire thread should have been Feeling the Bern Jan 2017 #150

Fair enough. Agreed, it is getting pretty toxic n/t emulatorloo Jan 2017 #151

I'm with you. He was more visible in the days after the GE LisaM Jan 2017 #63

Agreed (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jan 2017 #66

Emotions are running high bdamomma Jan 2017 #75

When I think I'm over it, some bullshit happens... JHan Jan 2017 #76

Per the jury rules Feeling the Bern Jan 2017 #80

This is postmortem bravenak Jan 2017 #83

Rules is rules. Feeling the Bern Jan 2017 #84

And the rules are that it is postmortem bravenak Jan 2017 #88

Thank the stars. This professional Bernie hate is enough. Feeling the Bern Jan 2017 #90

I hope it doesnt apply to folks like him bravenak Jan 2017 #97

Sure is! XD nt retrowire Jan 2017 #101

I can't believe this shit. he will the Prez tomorrow..n/t asuhornets Jan 2017 #81

Even though I believe his refusal to concede helped weaken Hillary a little against Trump cstanleytech Jan 2017 #82

I am actually upset that he pulled his punches. If he had gone after the email scandal full throttle yodermon Jan 2017 #85

Supported Bernie, but voted for HRC Babushka Jan 2017 #87

Your frustration is justified. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #89

Bernie is the future EOM tiredtoo Jan 2017 #94

How? At nearly seventy five, how is he possibly the future? bravenak Jan 2017 #99

Bernie represents the future of the Democratic party tiredtoo Jan 2017 #108

How? bravenak Jan 2017 #142

obviously the person is more important than the issues... JHan Jan 2017 #109

It's like he's Jesus bravenak Jan 2017 #141

here we go again elmac Jan 2017 #100

Petty and short-sighted post ihaveaquestion Jan 2017 #106

Anger noted. There's blame to go around. slumcamper Jan 2017 #110

Really, its all Bernies fault now? elmac Jan 2017 #113

These vicious attacks on Bernie seem to come from an alternate universe! Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #114

"by not officially conceding graciously prior to the convention" PoliticAverse Jan 2017 #118

Actually, in 2008 she announced that she would be suspending her campaign less than 24 hours StevieM Jan 2017 #119

So Hillary couldn't handle any opposition whatsoever? Ligyron Jan 2017 #121

Exactly! m-lekktor Jan 2017 #123

Excellent points. senz Jan 2017 #149

No one can handle being torn down consummately by anyone. It always takes down numbers and uponit7771 Jan 2017 #164

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Yawn Ace Rothstein Jan 2017 #124

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Ditto leftofcool Jan 2017 #128

Unforgivable - I'd Never Follow Him otohara Jan 2017 #129

I am angry at those progressives who refused to vote for Hillary in the general election. still_one Jan 2017 #132

Thats their right though but they like those who voted for Trump will have to learn to cstanleytech Jan 2017 #144

Of corse it is their right, but that doesn't change my view about them still_one Jan 2017 #146

Okay fine but I'll tell you what SHRED Jan 2017 #152

I can understand that Renew Deal Jan 2017 #153

Anger doesn't even begin to describe my contempt. The constant ridiculing of the only viable.... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2017 #154

Strangely - I'm not JustAnotherGen Jan 2017 #157

Lol Arazi Jan 2017 #158

I work in NYC with many Bernie supporters jzodda Jan 2017 #167

I never trusted him, and never will. nt LexVegas Jan 2017 #177

He's a meanie! QC Jan 2017 #178

I'm angry that HRC botched her campaign Larkspur Jan 2017 #179

Here's the killer for me -- Bill Clinton, one of the finest political minds QC Jan 2017 #181

I totally agree BB! MoonRiver Jan 2017 #182