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Leopolds Ghost

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8. It is possible to use polls for consensus. The principles as currently written call for consensus
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:29 AM
Feb 2012

Last edited Thu Feb 23, 2012, 03:26 AM - Edit history (2)

If we drop that and vote on everything, like Kevin Zeese's group, I would be a bit concerned to say the least.

A lot of groups I've worked with in real life use consensus, and that includes "mainstream"
progressive groups like Occupy Faith. Of course, if everyone jumped off a bridge that does
not mean we should, but I just had a big issue with a group IRL calling themselves Occupy
while wanting to drop the GA structure and not model themselves after Occupy.

In this case we were using Wikipedia as a model because it works well when you ignore
the encyclopedia aspects and replace it with the GA traditions instead, see here for instance:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA

Group membership is a vexing issue, given current software limitations. Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #1
I think allowing any du member to vote is fine. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #2
Really, I see no other practical alternative. Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #6
Under the current draft of the principles that was approved on Occupy du2, the lead host has no more Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #12
See the feminist group. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #14
Yeah, it's a problem with the way the system is geared to hosting as private groups Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #16
+1 n/t Chan790 Feb 2012 #25
Simple majority vote is not required for Occupy GAs to function well. So I don't think it's an issue Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #11
I hope it is kept simple JNelson6563 Feb 2012 #3
My answers to ellisonz 5Q? Chan790 Feb 2012 #4
It is possible to use polls for consensus. The principles as currently written call for consensus Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #8
I really tend to agree with point 1. Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #9
I think the thought is to set the bar fairly high. ellisonz Feb 2012 #21
I wonder if the MIRT team couldn't be tasked with alerts that include an SoP violation? Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #28
I thought we're trying to have a non-heirarchical structure, not rely on MIRT. jmho n/t Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #35
Regarding DU2 -- all the work that went into creating this forum came from DU2rs -- if you think Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #10
No, I think those decisions needed to be made here along with there. Chan790 Feb 2012 #19
To be fair, no decisions beyond the SOP have been made at all... ellisonz Feb 2012 #20
I'll be drafting a counter-proposal then. Chan790 Feb 2012 #26
There is no great rush. ellisonz Feb 2012 #27
The main host does not select co-hosts under the current draft, the group does Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #38
It was pointed out in the H&M thread many times where the work was being done. Occupy uses consensus Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #34
How are they being marginalized if they ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #30
Do you feel they should, or should not? Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #37
Truthfully - ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #45
But we haven't agreed on anything yet... Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #49
Why can't the DU2 work be presented here and accepted or not by us all? Why would anyone want to Vincardog Feb 2012 #33
I am concerned because I have done work for a liberal nonprofit where Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #36
Ellisonz, can you facilitate the thread I opened up here thats a mirror of the du2 thread? Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #5
My thoughts on Ellison's questions -- Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #7
With all due respect, you sound like a teacher UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #13
Not at all. It's simply that we posted numerous links back to the threads on the group formation Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #15
Well, pardon me for not reading the terms of service UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #17
I wish you'd stay active in this conversation. Chan790 Feb 2012 #22
Alright, I'll keep an eye on it. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #23
The du2 draft guidelines thought to mention about activist credentials Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #39
No, we just told stories and ate cheese sandwhiches. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #41
What happened in LA? I didn't hear about this -- sounds awful. Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #42
Protesters sitting on buses for hours with handcuffs UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #43
Why don't you grab the one or two mods who are running around on DU2 still snooper2 Feb 2012 #18
I like this idea. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #24
This sounds reasonable. I'd like to add a few quick points. Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2012 #29
Twinkles Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #40
So, is this group already ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #31
The idea is to try and be... ellisonz Feb 2012 #32
my two coppers quinnox Feb 2012 #44
Right now I've basically seeing four proposals... ellisonz Feb 2012 #46
I favour options 1 or 2 at this point. Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2012 #47
Thank you for your two-cents. n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #48
What if hosts enforced SoP by Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #50
that solution has merit. Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2012 #51
I think just as a simple matter of communication... ellisonz Feb 2012 #52
I'd like to see some more ideas and opinions from other members Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2012 #53
No doubt. ellisonz Feb 2012 #54
Anyone else have any thoughts? ellisonz Feb 2012 #55
I've been meaning to review the latest draft Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #56
No worries. ellisonz Feb 2012 #57
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