History of Feminism

iverglas

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21. I am definitely keeping in mind that you are an outsider to this group

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:38 PM

Apr 2012

That's why I'm thinking you would do well to read the Statement of Purpose for the group (click on "about this group" and the pinned post at the top of the board discussing the proposal for expanding it.

Ostensibly, the OP is there to convince people of some position, so please don't mistake my (possibly incorrect) criticism of the presentation of the argument for a devaluation of the pursuit of equality.

No, it isn't. It's to invite discussion of the issues it raises among people who adhere to the SoP here. That's what all posts in this group are for.

For the rest, maybe you would present some research on the issue you raise if you consider it to be important in the context of this thread.

In this group, confrontational demands for proof are not the best approach. And maybe a little less nitpicking of the possibly offhand use of language in a blog post might help.

I think this little passage illustrates what was meant:

http://3rdyearwiki0809.pbworks.com/f/ANG+intermediate+report.doc

The so-called ‘spin doctors’ seem to have taken control of election campaigns by emphasizing the previously undervalued dimensions of politics: appearance, image, presentation of views and principles, and communication between the politician and the electorate. These strategies couldn’t have succeeded if rational thinking hadn’t been obscured by (usually subconscious) beliefs, values, stereotypes and prejudices, which constitute ideology.

It's just a little amateur thing too. But really, does anyone not actually know what is being talked about?

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/appearance/464538819
- panel discussion on poverty, inequality and race (not the world's best transcription but the video is there)

WHAT THESE SHOWS IS THAT THERE ARE WIDESPREAD STEREOTYPES OF MANY SOCIAL GROUPS WHICH ARE WIDESPREAD AMONG THE POPULATION AND MOST IMPORTANTLY WHICH ARE HELD BY AND INAND EVEN HELD BY THOSE WHO CONSCIOUSLY KNOW THEM NOT TO BE TRUE.

WHEN PEOPLE ACT DELIBERATELY, WHEN THEY'RE ATTENDING TO WHAT THEY ARE DOING, THEY'RE CONSCIOUS BELIEFS TEND TO GUIDE THEIR BEHAVEIER, BUT WHEN THEY'RE WORKING IN CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THEY DON'T EITHER HAVE THE INCLINATION OR THE RESOURCES OR THE OPPORTUNITY TO MONITOR THEIR BEHAVIOR, AND TO BEHAVEANE MORE CONSCIOUS AND DELIBERATE WAY, THEN THOSE ARE THE CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH THESE SUBCONSCIOUS STEREOTYPES, SUBCONSCIOUS BELIEFS CAN INFLUENCE BEHAVIOR

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I don't think I had any trouble understanding that from the text in the OP.

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all women are whores [View all] seabeyond Apr 2012 OP

Towards the end of the first article, the following statement occurs.... xocet Apr 2012 #1

" men constantly write this type of shit all over the internet." seabeyond Apr 2012 #2

No point in trying to improve your argument. Equality is worth defending but not poorly.... n/t xocet Apr 2012 #5

you misfired. you may see it as a way to improve on it. what i see is you making up a reason seabeyond Apr 2012 #8

When read from the outside, what was written comes across very differently. xocet Apr 2012 #14

if women are raised from the time of little girl seabeyond Apr 2012 #15

What is a belief? redqueen Apr 2012 #3

So, there is no point in trying to put the argument on a sounder foundation? n/t xocet Apr 2012 #6

really? iverglas Apr 2012 #4

Hah, that "condemnation of all men" BS reminded me of this: redqueen Apr 2012 #10

Hey, if I am wrong, please enlighten me. What is the best study out there on subconscious xocet Apr 2012 #12

have you ever read this. think about it as your read it. see how many things you recognize in self? seabeyond Apr 2012 #13

No. Those are very good points to consider. xocet Apr 2012 #16

are you seabeyond Apr 2012 #17

Yes. xocet Apr 2012 #32

but see, seabeyond Apr 2012 #33

Here is some stuff.... xocet Apr 2012 #38

I am definitely keeping in mind that you are an outsider to this group iverglas Apr 2012 #21

so it seems that the quibble is iverglas Apr 2012 #24

This is a very interesting article: xocet Apr 2012 #30

you're welcome too iverglas Apr 2012 #31

Leave, disruptor. BlueIris Apr 2012 #34

Since I apologized to everyone else, I'll apologize to you, too. Sorry. It was a misunderstanding. xocet Apr 2012 #39

it's the double standard that both are trapped in iverglas Apr 2012 #7

you are right. and ya, see, i went first a couple decades ago. wasnt so hard. and any man seabeyond Apr 2012 #9

I disagree that men cant really start. redqueen Apr 2012 #11

no, I do agree iverglas Apr 2012 #18

more to lose if they go first... more to gain from the present arrangement seabeyond Apr 2012 #19

This happens to me in real life ALL. THE. TIME. MadrasT Apr 2012 #20

I've been a little lucky iverglas Apr 2012 #22

i literally had men tell me seabeyond Apr 2012 #23

heh, MadrasT's and my exchange in another thread iverglas Apr 2012 #25

exactly. kinda like rachel not dressing like a girl, or whatever. seabeyond Apr 2012 #26

Wow! Good to see such sex positive statements! PassingFair Apr 2012 #27

you had me laughing so hard seabeyond Apr 2012 #28

excellent! n/t Scout Apr 2012 #29

But, but, part of what makes a woman successful BlueIris Apr 2012 #35

IGN agrees, all women are whores redqueen Apr 2012 #36

oh, wow. couldnt get past the video seabeyond Apr 2012 #37

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kicking to see if it will make it to first page. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #41

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I admire how brave you are, seabeyond! marble falls Dec 2014 #43

do you know what name removed said? that hunts down an old OP (that i LOVE) only seabeyond Dec 2014 #44

LOL - nice of name removed to kick this thread. cyberswede Dec 2014 #45

i love this thread. he made me re read. and i kept saying yup. right on. lol seabeyond Dec 2014 #46

It was bad ismnotwasm Dec 2014 #47

i love listening to you seabeyond Dec 2014 #48

LOL mercuryblues Dec 2014 #49

Hey, you were unflagged. Good for you. Got your voice back seabeyond Dec 2014 #50

Hey you! ismnotwasm Dec 2014 #51

Women do it as well, and that's not good either GitRDun Dec 2014 #52

It is a largely male issue ismnotwasm Dec 2014 #53

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Fuck off hard... Dennis Donovan Sep 2019 #55

I have a feeling that post is about to go off into Oblivion. nt Mike 03 Sep 2019 #56

hopefully... Dennis Donovan Sep 2019 #58

It was gone by 5:11 DashOneBravo Sep 2019 #59

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