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History of Feminism
In reply to the discussion: all women are whores [View all]iverglas
(38,549 posts)25. heh, MadrasT's and my exchange in another thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1240&pid=81964
MadrasT:
me:
MadrasT:
It <"tomboy"> *can* be a slur
And for reasons which aren't immediately obvious.
When I was little, I was often called a tomboy and it was meant as a compliment.
The problem with that is, for "tomboy" to be a compliment, that means that being a "girly girl" is a bad thing.
I later realized that the compliment to me was a slur against "girly girls". (I was raised by parents who taught me that acting like a girl was a bad thing.)
Like many other words and phrases, it depends on context and intent.
Who said it, and what did they mean by it?
And for reasons which aren't immediately obvious.
When I was little, I was often called a tomboy and it was meant as a compliment.
The problem with that is, for "tomboy" to be a compliment, that means that being a "girly girl" is a bad thing.
I later realized that the compliment to me was a slur against "girly girls". (I was raised by parents who taught me that acting like a girl was a bad thing.)
Like many other words and phrases, it depends on context and intent.
Who said it, and what did they mean by it?
me:
exactly
Masculine is good, feminine is bad. That's why, and slightly different from what Warren Stupidity was saying but maybe to clarify it, girls being masculine is not as bad as boys being feminine.
But it leaves girls in the conflict that if they want social approval, they do have to adhere to the feminine stereotype. Tomboys are cute for a while, but they have to grow out of it.
And also exactly:
Just as I did back around 1970 and I intuitively didn't like being told I was "not like other chicks": basically, I didn't play gender-role games, I guess, and I spoke my mind. I decided I was une femme comme les autres -- an ordinary woman. The problem was the stereotype, and the pressure on women to conform to it. I was different in that I didn't, but the problem was still there for all women. And still is.
The problem with that is, for "tomboy" to be a compliment, that means that being a "girly girl" is a bad thing.
Masculine is good, feminine is bad. That's why, and slightly different from what Warren Stupidity was saying but maybe to clarify it, girls being masculine is not as bad as boys being feminine.
But it leaves girls in the conflict that if they want social approval, they do have to adhere to the feminine stereotype. Tomboys are cute for a while, but they have to grow out of it.
And also exactly:
I later realized that the compliment to me was a slur against "girly girls".
Just as I did back around 1970 and I intuitively didn't like being told I was "not like other chicks": basically, I didn't play gender-role games, I guess, and I spoke my mind. I decided I was une femme comme les autres -- an ordinary woman. The problem was the stereotype, and the pressure on women to conform to it. I was different in that I didn't, but the problem was still there for all women. And still is.
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No point in trying to improve your argument. Equality is worth defending but not poorly.... n/t
xocet
Apr 2012
#5
you misfired. you may see it as a way to improve on it. what i see is you making up a reason
seabeyond
Apr 2012
#8
Hey, if I am wrong, please enlighten me. What is the best study out there on subconscious
xocet
Apr 2012
#12
have you ever read this. think about it as your read it. see how many things you recognize in self?
seabeyond
Apr 2012
#13
Since I apologized to everyone else, I'll apologize to you, too. Sorry. It was a misunderstanding.
xocet
Apr 2012
#39
you are right. and ya, see, i went first a couple decades ago. wasnt so hard. and any man
seabeyond
Apr 2012
#9
do you know what name removed said? that hunts down an old OP (that i LOVE) only
seabeyond
Dec 2014
#44