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BainsBane

(54,382 posts)
17. Isn't it lovely
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 06:29 PM
Feb 2014

Last edited Fri Feb 14, 2014, 11:55 PM - Edit history (1)

that on DU Valentine's Day an opportunity for some to demonstrate how desperate they are to turn the clock back a half century? Think you're an equal citizen with full rights? Not so fast little girls. You're not worth shit if you're over 18 and your ass isn't exposed for old men to gawk at.

They have effectively claimed DU as white male only space. They conduct witch hunts against more than one woman of color, make sure any thread having to do with equal rights for women, civil rights or human rights are denounced as "flame bait" in comparison to the far more important issues of legalizing their pot stash or belittling women to make sure they know they are not equal human beings with full rights. They argue that the law is irrelevant and they should be able to violate a woman drunk beyond the ability to consent. They willfully and purposefully ignore a legal record that shows an accused pedophile is indeed a lying sac of shit and instead repeat verbatim the lies out by his publicity machine. Some even denounce Black History month as giving special treatment to African Americans, while the "rest of us" (which sure the hell doesn't include me since I will not be included in any conception of their "us&quot have only a week. They insist black folk should be "honored" when they are served fried chicken and watermelon for Black History month, and that LGBT Americans need to keep their mouths shut about Russia because "it only backfires."

Their notion of "liberalism" is one produced by corporate capitalist culture. Porn is liberal. Rape porn is liberal. Big corporate media magazines that sell commodified images of women are liberal. Liberalism to them hinges on women as objects rather than citizens. They insist objections to a thread in GD of Sports Illustrated images is "conservative." In defining liberalism as they do, they reveal a conception of the term that includes men only. Women are not part of the body politic. Women exist as objects of commodity fetishism, not as political allies, not as presidential candidates, not as equal human beings. Women should not compete with them in the workplace. White men as college drop outs are entitled to earn more than women with advanced degrees, and the fact that a woman or person of color anywhere on earth makes more than them, they claim, shows they are not privileged---a comment that reveals they believe themselves entitled to more by virtue of being white and male.

If we object to women and people of color being treated like shit, we are "right-wing." So tell me, when did white male supremacy become "liberal"? When did telling LGBT Americans to keep their concerns about equality quiet become "liberal'? When did it become liberal to openly advocate returning to a time period before discrimination in the workplace was illegal, before LBGT Americans had the right to openly love, work, or marry anywhere? When did opposition to equal rights, like EEOC laws, become "liberal." When did promoting a hostile environment become "liberal." How is it liberal to work so diligently to align oneself with the rich and powerful--whether Woody Allen or corporate pornographers and media tycoons--over survivors of child abuse, rape, and women and people of color in general? Since when is it liberal to insist on maintaining an openly and deliberately hostile attitude to anyone who thinks like they are part of the 21st century instead of the past? When is it liberal to be so hostile to progress and try to restore a mid-20th century haven online, where women and people of color and told to shut up and keep in their place, where women are valued only as ornamental or enablers of misogyny?

And they claim we need to shut up because they are our "allies." What kind of ally defines the body politic as including only a small minority? What people post things that start to resemble Fox News, how is that liberal, progressive, or Democratic?

Um, did you see this in GD? [View all] CTyankee Feb 2014 OP
Unfortunately, Kelvin Mace Feb 2014 #1
Nice description Warpy Feb 2014 #28
"Culturally relevant"? To knuckle-dragging throwbacks, I guess. redqueen Feb 2014 #47
The question of standards, Kelvin Mace Feb 2014 #116
Seriously. nt cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #2
and i was gonna jump in to ask.... OMG, is this where the really cool women hang out seabeyond Feb 2014 #3
back to my loud music and enjoy a day with windows open.... breeze flowing.... seabeyond Feb 2014 #4
Oh goodness! Tumbulu Feb 2014 #5
Clearly it belongs in the "Sports" group. MadrasT Feb 2014 #6
The purpose of that and the blow job thread BainsBane Feb 2014 #7
you are so smart. right on. and this needs desperately to be an OP. seabeyond Feb 2014 #9
Yep. They are just marking territory. DURHAM D Feb 2014 #14
people were getting along too much. be respectful. appreciating. that is all. backlash to seabeyond Feb 2014 #15
This: CrispyQ Feb 2014 #16
You've been doing a fine damn job of taking words out of my mouth of late! Scootaloo Feb 2014 #29
Blow job thread? cui bono Feb 2014 #54
Adding one more voice to say "beautifully stated." Squinch Feb 2014 #57
You make an important point here YoungDemCA Feb 2014 #113
+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 YoungDemCA Feb 2014 #112
It's bait. n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #8
It is. And posted by the same cast of characters sufrommich Feb 2014 #10
Well at least they're admitting they aren't feminists, so there's that. n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #11
haha. as if we didn't already know. sheesh. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #37
My thoughts, exactly. UtahLib Feb 2014 #12
Wow, at 100+ posts, by now it's like a pissing contest to mark GD as "anti-feminist" territory. MadrasT Feb 2014 #13
Isn't it lovely BainsBane Feb 2014 #17
Baines. You are on fire tonight. Have you ever Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #18
LOL. Not a good fit BainsBane Feb 2014 #20
I understand, totally. The public's loss. Ever considered Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #21
Yes, actually I have thought of that BainsBane Feb 2014 #22
I think you would be excellent at it. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #23
Well, then at least make this an OP, would ya??? Squinch Feb 2014 #58
Indeed. MadrasT Feb 2014 #59
Bain,you are a treasure. sufrommich Feb 2014 #60
Exactly and well said. ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #137
CTyankee with all due respect Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #19
You know, you have a point there...rereading it, I can see it... CTyankee Feb 2014 #30
thank you CTyankee. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #32
that became clear to me after my initial response...I went out and started thinking about it CTyankee Feb 2014 #33
This has been going on since the inception of DU3. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #34
why was DU3 such a signal event? CTyankee Feb 2014 #36
Self Moderating ... was the catalyst ... the culmination of society's degradation along with Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #38
and I am Marie of Romania...like dorothy parker once wrote... CTyankee Feb 2014 #40
yep. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #42
About intentions... redqueen Feb 2014 #49
you know what they say ... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #72
I'm gonna guess... redqueen Feb 2014 #75
yep. Rock On. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #77
Yep, the MRA talking points are flying fast and freely in that thread. redqueen Feb 2014 #48
I don't doubt it, redqueen - Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #61
Just found out that one of the women who claimed she didn't know she was spewing MRA talking points redqueen Feb 2014 #73
haha ... nuance and subtlety ... some are better at it than others ... one more time: Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #76
well, that would be interesting seeing how she caught the naked girls to put up the op for all the seabeyond Feb 2014 #80
well, you know sometimes Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #84
i am a pacifist and have never hung out with hunters, so i am totally clueless what you are talking seabeyond Feb 2014 #87
Doesn't matter. Intellectual honesty isn't something certain types care anything about. redqueen Feb 2014 #82
That was one of the most epic misrepresentations in the history of misrepresentation. MadrasT Feb 2014 #86
It's just faux-nooz style dishonesty. And when it's used to demonize the feminists here who dare redqueen Feb 2014 #93
--- Bro-approved feminism is the only welcome kind. --- Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #88
Ha but if you're still one of the few feminists desperately clinging to that 'sex positive' bullshit redqueen Feb 2014 #95
thing is, redqueen Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #96
of course sex positive was meant as an insult to other women.... that is the whole purpose and how seabeyond Feb 2014 #98
Just about everyone has. Sex is fun for the vast majority of people. But that movement stopped being redqueen Feb 2014 #99
as a movement, they have been left behind and need to catch up Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #101
biggest couple decade fail, except the recognition and acknowledgement of diversity. seabeyond Feb 2014 #100
And this is one of the reasons tumblr is amazing. On DU there is little participation from WOC. redqueen Feb 2014 #102
interesting. i am gonna have to get on tumblr. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #103
We really do need a womanist presence here on DU. cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #119
hey, a thread where someone died, the boys giggln and playing with milf. i got a post hid for sayin seabeyond Feb 2014 #91
some of my hides ... just blew my mind ... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #94
yup. a fuckin game with men having a huge advantage on the courts. any other game and they would seabeyond Feb 2014 #97
On a more positive note... redqueen Feb 2014 #74
Loving It !!! Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #78
yes it is. and htat would be about the point the poster of the OP cries out... it has been posted seabeyond Feb 2014 #81
Yeah, that's super double plus good logic redqueen Feb 2014 #85
the women on the cover and who do similar things do it for the money JI7 Feb 2014 #24
that is the problem, the lack of respect all the way around. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #26
You know -- Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #25
no, not really Kali Feb 2014 #27
thank you, Kali ... I trashed the thread early this morning, first thing. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #31
it is clear to me now that the motivation for posting this is marking territory and CTyankee Feb 2014 #35
Please, take note that the thread was started by a woman. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #39
IF it is a woman...remember, I am Marie of Romania... CTyankee Feb 2014 #41
Point taken - but, this one has posted pictures and, iirc has been to DU meet ups. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #43
heh, history has shown that those women opposing women's suffrage have been largely FORGOTTEN... CTyankee Feb 2014 #44
hehe ... and on that note ... I simply must say ... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #45
me, too...have a nice rest... CTyankee Feb 2014 #46
Really? Not a single one of those names surprises me. At all. redqueen Feb 2014 #50
I see two I know to be skin-waste bigots. Scootaloo Feb 2014 #51
It wouldn't matter BainsBane Feb 2014 #52
The GD hosts let it stand BainsBane Feb 2014 #53
i think it was a little bit to get some hidden posts and a little bit of people getting along too seabeyond Feb 2014 #67
up to Eighteen now ... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #69
I suspect many of those 18 recs are basically a virtual middle finger flipping off this group. MadrasT Feb 2014 #70
love it when they throw a tantrum ... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #71
the whole Op, rec and many of the posts is all about flipping us off, yes. lol. duh.... seabeyond Feb 2014 #83
adding two more ;;; Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #104
nobody really cares that much. we already know who they are... shhhhh seabeyond Feb 2014 #105
well, sea Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #107
add one more Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #136
Reading those names makes the intention crystal-clear YoungDemCA Feb 2014 #114
Not even in the lounge please. cui bono Feb 2014 #55
so TIRED of our new and improved LockerRoom Lounge Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #111
Lordy... 600+ posts now MadrasT Feb 2014 #56
This. If women making choices regardless of sufrommich Feb 2014 #62
virtual locker room, complete with congratulatory backslapping and high fiving...simpering cheerlea seabeyond Feb 2014 #65
again, hypocrisy, i have a huge problem. each of these posters are all over the coulters, palns, seabeyond Feb 2014 #66
Yes, that "I choose my choice" dubmassery is fucking laughable. redqueen Feb 2014 #79
A women can make many choices that goes against feminism cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #106
I was tempted to spam the thread with Hawkeye Initiative cover mock-ups. KitSileya Feb 2014 #63
Nor mine when I signed up in fall, 2004! CTyankee Feb 2014 #64
i often wonder, what would happen if your husband was so invested in his porn life? the man you love seabeyond Feb 2014 #68
Very well stated. Succinct and accurate. redqueen Feb 2014 #89
exactly. clear and obvious. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #92
This would be the New and Improved Model = DU3 Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #90
It also reminds me of the post where men where asked cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #108
interesting angle there, cinnabonbon Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #117
My problem is that I read posts like that as if cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #120
i had the host of the mens group specifically tell me that Op was to get back at a small vocal group seabeyond Feb 2014 #121
At least they admit it. cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #122
that whole thread, half was them denying it is a fuckin game for them. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #123
Wow, how embarrassing. cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #124
But seriously cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #125
To "get back at" a group on DU? MadrasT Feb 2014 #126
What we keep doing is calling out objectification. redqueen Feb 2014 #128
how abotu that. makes us bullies. someone says... "she'll do". like a thing he owns. seabeyond Feb 2014 #133
Well when you criticize objectification, and male entitlement to female bodies, redqueen Feb 2014 #134
I love this post: redqueen Feb 2014 #109
yup. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #110
Horrible YoungDemCA Feb 2014 #115
Freedom of speech apparently cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #118
If THAT! elleng Feb 2014 #127
I'm glad to hear it. I've been cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #129
We don't! elleng Feb 2014 #130
Yay! I will! cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #131
Good! elleng Feb 2014 #132
You'd have to have a pea size Texasgal Feb 2014 #135
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