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Threedifferentones

(1,070 posts)
45. Aight well I know I am a jerk.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 11:20 AM
Mar 2014

My thought processes, my wording, they can generally be described as acerbic and aggressive. I'm your classic jerk of a critic; I will go on rants about what I think is WRONG, but only because I am aware, as you mentioned, just how difficult it is to pin down what I think is RIGHT. So, I think you nailed me there.

I don't want anyone to be abused, and I think I do know much of what you mean by "rape culture." In my life I certainly have heard apparently innocent men joke and make light of rape and spousal abuse. Sure I've told almost all of them in clear and vulgar language that they are more monstrous than human, but that hasn't changed any of them.

I know that anyone with eyes should be able to see that many men still think of women primarily, or even exclusively, as a sexual resource. As the story in your OP makes clear, those women who are seen as "madonnas" will be protected by our legal system, while those who are "whores" will be blamed for being victimized. Jesus I could go on and on, the world really is fucked...

Still, I consider these issues in a broader context of freedom and oppression, if that makes any sense.

What I mean is the men who rape, or who cover up for rape, are much more likely to be authoritarian and conservative. They tend to also be racist, homophobic, and they seek out power and authority so that they may use and abuse the people they can control. I just do not see how "rape culture" is very distinct from the ways in which our patriarchal and capitalist society values, at every level, power above all else, and encourages those who have it to see those who do not as inferior and expendable.

In this country and most others people will blame a sex worker for being raped, they will blame a homeless vet for his PTSD, and they will blame an unemployed worker on food stamps for being laid off. The parallel seems obvious to me, and I do not understand why the members of HOF seem to insist upon seeing sexism in a vacuum, instead of trying to connect it to all the other ways our society is callous and cruel.

It could be argued that by living in America you and I are complicit in an utterly vile culture of violence and abuse. Similarly, if we must use the term rape culture, I think it would be best to point out that most PEOPLE are complicit in how we view sex workers and treat cases of rape, instead of singling out the present population of men as if we are mostly to blame...

I will readily admit that you are right about me not looking to this thread for an education. I'm no scholar, that's for sure. However, it seems your point applies to us both, we have made up our minds about some points and moved on. There are plenty of people who criticize the idea of rape culture from a feminist perspective, but you clearly either do not wish to consider or have already rejected them. I think that's just as big a shame as my bad attitude and acidic tone, because ultimately I have much more in common with you than some MRA or patriarchal religion, but I doubt we will ever get along. Sure that's at least half my fault, but that doesn't make you entirely correct...

men who pay for sex often believe that they buy the right to do anything they want, seabeyond Mar 2014 #1
Ooooh better watch now - you've got the mens all stirred up: Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #2
lol. i hadnt read that part of her post. just the article. was clueless what manny was talking seabeyond Mar 2014 #3
Just one of the many HOF stalkers. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #4
EarlG locked it. Thank goodness. boston bean Mar 2014 #6
Does that count as a post violation against Manny? Whisp Mar 2014 #25
no. it does not effect anything. nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #26
hmm, that's a bit strange, no? Whisp Mar 2014 #27
i think mostly the SOP is not used to diss or flamebait, but mostly for putting the wrong post seabeyond Mar 2014 #28
it is funny. i would have never thought. i am so NAIVE about some things cause seabeyond Mar 2014 #7
One in particular UtahLib Mar 2014 #12
Heh. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #13
LOL ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #35
I always saw him as the Annoying Librarian. A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2014 #48
Interesting to see more than one target. It's happy hour already: freshwest Mar 2014 #22
ah ha. cant we at least wait until 4'ish. lol. for breakfast? nah. lol. thanks seabeyond Mar 2014 #23
Seagami posted it last night. It made my evening! nt freshwest Mar 2014 #24
Nice! ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #42
See, it doesn't help with a qualifier - 'most' KitSileya Mar 2014 #5
redq is very good at explaining this. i think we need an Op about this again. i had an Op in GD seabeyond Mar 2014 #8
Oh, and how to claim innocence UtahLib Mar 2014 #11
I've never ever posted there ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #30
It was in GD. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #37
The only poster on DU I have on ignore... MadrasT Mar 2014 #61
doncha just mercuryblues Mar 2014 #67
"Most men ARE not rapists, but are certainly complicit in Rape Culture. " demwing Mar 2014 #9
Sorry my bad. Editing these posts away, with some explanation in the other one. Threedifferentones Mar 2014 #14
or you could say... what are you talking about? because yuor imterpretation is wrong. not an seabeyond Mar 2014 #15
Well that's a huge fail ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #32
"injecting an embarrassing level of ridiculousness" amuse bouche Mar 2014 #16
Distortion is a common tatctic Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #19
Adorable graphic ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #33
Thanks for that question demwing Mar 2014 #36
It was in connection to the article ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #39
Sorry I didn't intend to disrupt...so I'm editing these posts away. Threedifferentones Mar 2014 #43
Look I don't know you ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #44
Aight well I know I am a jerk. Threedifferentones Mar 2014 #45
Actually I've looked at all sides ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #47
The statement "most men are complicit in rape culture" does not seem to intersect different forms Threedifferentones Mar 2014 #50
I think ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #52
Indeed we are Threedifferentones Mar 2014 #59
firstly seabeyond Mar 2014 #60
... ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #62
by letting the mercuryblues Mar 2014 #65
Kudos! KitSileya Mar 2014 #66
thank you. mercuryblues Mar 2014 #68
I neglected to edit the post you are responding to, unlike the others, but as I said my point Threedifferentones Mar 2014 #69
so what mercuryblues Mar 2014 #70
Your post illustrates the "so what" quite well, and the nuances of oppression are what you ignore. Threedifferentones Mar 2014 #71
again mercuryblues Mar 2014 #72
Excellent response! Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #46
You hold yourself to a lower standard than others...? LanternWaste Mar 2014 #58
Most = 50% +1 or more gollygee Mar 2014 #63
can i simply copy and paste your post for the rest of time... nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #64
Saw a reference to this in another thread amuse bouche Mar 2014 #10
That thread was locked and rightfully so. That is why your post would not go through. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #18
Ok, thanks amuse bouche Mar 2014 #21
I am not overfond of the practice of alerting, either. The number of threads locked has diminished Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #29
Rec because Yay!! Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #17
Thanks for the info, ism UtahLib Mar 2014 #20
I swear I haven't been here and missed whatever happened. ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #34
Damn I just started this and went to work ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #31
as your question above shows, you are right. they either slightly kinda believe a rape culture even seabeyond Mar 2014 #38
We're two hours early sitting in a Starbucks ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #40
have a blast. sounds like fun. nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #41
Most men are. redqueen Mar 2014 #49
It's because the majority of rapists are men ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #54
It disgusts me that any man, or any female ally of such men, redqueen Mar 2014 #55
And yet, that's what the majority of them do ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #56
Sadly, I don't find it strange at all. nt redqueen Mar 2014 #57
Thank you for posting this! It's good to see these individuals being punished. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #51
Yes it is ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #53
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