History of Feminism

qazplm

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105. not remotely true

Wed Jul 23, 2014, 08:04 AM

Jul 2014

I have direct experience that says 180 degrees otherwise. I have anecdotal evidence that says 180 degrees otherwise. Common sense and logic say 180 degrees otherwise as does a basic understanding of how people make big changes in their life.

As to that last bit, that means they usually start by engaging others aggressively, but nevertheless engaging, then they move slowly towards a new paradigm.

This has nothing to do with "trusting women" because this is a human thing that cuts across all issues, not simply in this one narrow area.
People don't make paradigm shifts on their own, and they don't make paradigm shifts all at once.

Folks who never make paradigm shifts often don't engage those who think differently at all. It's a waste of time.

Your approach is both narrow, and contrary to human nature. It has nothing to do with arrogance of privilege. It has to do with interaction and how we learn from each other.

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"Feminists are not responsible for educating men" [View all] redqueen Jul 2014 OP

Please send this to the admin. nt DURHAM D Jul 2014 #1

+1. that was my immediate thought. and all while i was reading thru. only to see... seabeyond Jul 2014 #2

! redqueen Jul 2014 #3

Heh! ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #11

please? Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #103

I've learned quite a lot from Feminists. I (don't believe) I was ever anti-woman or .... BlueJazz Jul 2014 #4

LOL... redqueen Jul 2014 #5

It also mercuryblues Jul 2014 #6

By telling women they have to educate men - it's just foisting off more work onto women. calimary Jul 2014 #13

Explaining mercuryblues Jul 2014 #24

your comment about the DOORS was gold. that says it all. the willful ignorance even when given a seabeyond Jul 2014 #127

i am going upstairs and talk to my teen boys. not about the condoms. their father is very seabeyond Jul 2014 #126

That's a VERY good point. How is the division of labor in most people's houses? calimary Jul 2014 #131

I can understand why someone might feel that way Android3.14 Jul 2014 #7

There are these things called books... uberblonde Jul 2014 #9

"Why should someone who is deeply informed about any issue try to formulate a capsule version..." Android3.14 Jul 2014 #29

Is it the responsibility of people of color to educate white people about racism? Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #28

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #125

a step further, i have an example personally with our gay community. but, when women of color do seabeyond Jul 2014 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #134

Excellent post, redqueen! CTyankee Jul 2014 #8

I'll educate my grand kids ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #10

Seems to me that there are a lot of eerie parallels in other realms of discussion. Jackpine Radical Jul 2014 #12

HHS author sounds like someone who sucks at persuasion so tries to blame others for her lack of Township75 Jul 2014 #14

The "job"? What job are you referring to? nt redqueen Jul 2014 #16

The job of being a woman, of course BainsBane Jul 2014 #65

Goddess, no shit, right? redqueen Jul 2014 #95

Ha. With both of you... Nt seabeyond Jul 2014 #100

Let me guess. You are not female. Squinch Jul 2014 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Jul 2014 #15

I understand what you are saying ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Jul 2014 #26

The fact that you are an "address the whole problem kind of guy" is not really germaine. The Squinch Jul 2014 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Jul 2014 #38

Political will and personal interaction, though related, are two different things. And as I have Squinch Jul 2014 #44

"The only effective way to make someone stop being entitled is to stop indulging the entitlement." redqueen Jul 2014 #46

Yeah, and the older and ornerier I get BainsBane Jul 2014 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Jul 2014 #47

What you don't seem to have picked up on redqueen Jul 2014 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Jul 2014 #25

I think you need to read the article again. Squinch Jul 2014 #35

Everyone must play a role. Fearless Jul 2014 #19

I am always telling my students that... prairierose Jul 2014 #20

Hmm. I hear what you are saying, I really do. PatrickforO Jul 2014 #21

Another facet of the gem that is sexual equality that should be considered. Half-Century Man Jul 2014 #22

Then you have to educate men as to why it's not your responsibility A-Schwarzenegger Jul 2014 #23

off topic/on a tangent but, I remember once a man (!) told me Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #120

And I'm not completely convinced about the die part. A-Schwarzenegger Jul 2014 #121

lol ... Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #123

Excellent observation. A-Schwarzenegger Jul 2014 #124

i love you. i have a lesson in reading your posts. i am really seabeyond Jul 2014 #129

Love & learning back atcha, sea. A-Schwarzenegger Jul 2014 #132

Can a man not be a Feminists awake Jul 2014 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Jul 2014 #39

I suppose, I think of them more as allies BainsBane Jul 2014 #42

There is a lot avaialble to read online and in publication BainsBane Jul 2014 #43

No one is asking to be spoon feed awake Jul 2014 #50

There is a basic fact BainsBane Jul 2014 #51

If anything I have post here gave you the idea that I believe awake Jul 2014 #53

feminism is a movement for women's rights BainsBane Jul 2014 #55

Odd how some people think that all women are feminists and no men are Android3.14 Jul 2014 #30

A man is not a feminist if he has to ask a feminist to explain feminism to him. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Jul 2014 #40

Somehow he just falls into feminism? Or born from the head of Athena unsullied by human society. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Jul 2014 #48

if a man calls himself a feminist i am not gonna argue. i have been burned too often by the "male seabeyond Jul 2014 #57

I am OK with a man asking me what feminism is. I am not OK with a man derailing Squinch Jul 2014 #45

Or make that conversation and every other about him BainsBane Jul 2014 #52

I have learned in this thread that we aren't doing everything at once, and therefore our actions are Squinch Jul 2014 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Jul 2014 #67

Civility, please. This is a sanctuary group for feminists and this post is a clear attack on hlthe2b Jul 2014 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Jul 2014 #85

. Squinch Jul 2014 #84

good analogy Kali Jul 2014 #92

But men don't seem to have any problems intaglio Jul 2014 #31

Nice lets now call "Men" names while we are at it awake Jul 2014 #32

i read three times. i cannot find one time "men" were called a name. seabeyond Jul 2014 #56

It was a sarcastic comment about the post above it awake Jul 2014 #58

"should be educated" ??? DURHAM D Jul 2014 #59

Oh is it better that men should NOT be educated awake Jul 2014 #60

Feminism has been a topic of discussion for parts of 6 decades. DURHAM D Jul 2014 #61

6 decades? try since the 1800s awake Jul 2014 #62

The six decades was a reference to what I assumed to be your DURHAM D Jul 2014 #63

FYI my 1st "teach in" on feminism happened at collage in 1970 awake Jul 2014 #68

The responses in this thread include very good examples of just what the article is talking about. Squinch Jul 2014 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Jul 2014 #49

WTF are you talkiing about? BainsBane Jul 2014 #64

Sing out Sister ! DURHAM D Jul 2014 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Jul 2014 #69

Are yous seriously claiming that I can't keep up BainsBane Jul 2014 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Jul 2014 #72

The reason I said "WTF are you talking about" BainsBane Jul 2014 #74

Somebody might give this character A-Schwarzenegger Jul 2014 #76

I hope so BainsBane Jul 2014 #77

Well... DURHAM D Jul 2014 #78

Looks like it went over better there BainsBane Jul 2014 #79

lol Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #93

What you owe is respect to this group. nt DURHAM D Jul 2014 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Jul 2014 #73

You are a visitor BainsBane Jul 2014 #75

Veilex, as in my post to you upstream, I suspect you do not realize that this is a safe haven group hlthe2b Jul 2014 #83

"I suspect you do not realize that this is a safe haven group"- Admittedly I did not... Veilex Jul 2014 #86

That was not hate. That was annoyance. Squinch Jul 2014 #90

Call it what you will... Veilex Jul 2014 #97

It's as if we ordered this one up to illustrate what the OP is talking about. We must be magic! Squinch Jul 2014 #81

I agree knownow Jul 2014 #80

If That is Not the Role of Feminists, Then What Is? AndyTiedye Jul 2014 #88

Securing our rights BainsBane Jul 2014 #89

Still Need to Educate People AndyTiedye Jul 2014 #99

Where was it that you learned not to treat men like a second class? Did you learn that by requiring Squinch Jul 2014 #94

And PS: Think about doing that. Think about saying to a man, "I require that you explain to me Squinch Jul 2014 #96

speaking for myself ... I am also NOT responsible for educating women either. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #91

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #98

Whew!! Too much stupid is tough on the eyes. haha nt edgineered Jul 2014 #101

eh, from my pov qazplm Jul 2014 #102

And this is where you're wrong: Sheldon Cooper Jul 2014 #104

not remotely true qazplm Jul 2014 #105

Again, you completely disregard my LIVED experience, as a woman, to make whatever point Sheldon Cooper Jul 2014 #106

"when there is antagonism, there is no element of openness...." awake Jul 2014 #107

why wouldnt it be called out as "being played" since often and continuously it is true here on du? seabeyond Jul 2014 #108

Stating that maybe it is the roll for a feminist to educate a man awake Jul 2014 #109

look at ALL the time women have wasted in this thread trying to "educate" you on educating men on seabeyond Jul 2014 #113

I know you are a swimmer and probably took DURHAM D Jul 2014 #122

you are so right on. i read this morning and spent time visualizing. to the extent seabeyond Jul 2014 #130

And in a safe haven group, we should not have to constantly entertain demands that Sheldon Cooper Jul 2014 #110

I am not asking to be "educated" awake Jul 2014 #112

I don't believe I ever said that you, specifically, were. Sheldon Cooper Jul 2014 #114

Reread the OP to get a sense of where the frustration comes from and try, TRY, seabeyond Jul 2014 #115

Coming through loud and clear, innit? Sheldon Cooper Jul 2014 #116

I for the live of me can not figure out what I have said awake Jul 2014 #117

so... basically, reiterating. you will NOT consider what others are saying. the point is.... seabeyond Jul 2014 #118

To restate I am NOT MAKING DEMANDS awake Jul 2014 #119

"The idea that "real men" must prove themselves before that interaction" redqueen Jul 2014 #111

The only men who are going to care shaayecanaan Jul 2014 #133