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ismnotwasm

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22. Madonna is also a consummate business woman
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 12:02 PM
Jul 2014

I never liked her music either-- but I feel she was far more manipulative than Beyoncé, and she is a white woman, to deconstruct what being black and female means in the music world requires the input of black women. I can't stand on the outside looking in as a white woman, and say this is what's it's like-- I have no point of reference. Hooks does, but Beyoncé also has her admirers among black feminists

Also, and more to the point, like Madonna before her she is creating conversation and controversy. The problem here, as you infer, is we already live in a world were women are sexualized by virtue of being born. But what are women supposed to do? The pop music system is already set up that way, my hope is she grows and changes and starts speaking out. I've never heard that she responded to Hooks, but it had to sting.

What's sad is the post RedQueen just put up about educating on feminism-- outlining how far we haven't come, despite certain victories, we are losing ground in reproductive rights, the perception of 'whose fault it is' for rape, the attacks on vocal women on-line on and on. We lose a little, then gain some.

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I just saw that! ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #1
She is amazing. In_The_Wind Jul 2014 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #4
Take that Bill O'Reilly! mfcorey1 Jul 2014 #3
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #7
Lol. Thanks for the chuckle. This thread needed it. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #8
I really don't 'get' why every one fawns over her LittleGirl Jul 2014 #5
I like her because she is a strong woman who generally takes a stand for what is right. PeaceNikki Jul 2014 #6
That's great LittleGirl Jul 2014 #9
I think mercuryblues Jul 2014 #10
Yawn -- consider the source rocktivity Jul 2014 #11
What do you think of hooks's deconstructive argument that if Bey is actually in control of her image redqueen Jul 2014 #12
I tend to agree with it. It is why Third Wavers Support her. It is ironic. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #13
I do as well redqueen Jul 2014 #14
you are more tolerant than I, redqueen. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #15
What she is, beyond being a powerful woman ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #18
That she intrigues you, is fine by me, ism. She bores me. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #20
I agree with it, but you CAN'T be a "visually assaulting terrorist" and a "colluding slave" rocktivity Jul 2014 #17
I definitely agree with your analysis. redqueen Jul 2014 #19
it's NOT a "black thing." ... About now, I wish one of our black sisters would make an appearance Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #21
Madonna is also a consummate business woman ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #22
Why did you call the criticism from hooks two months ago "the context"? redqueen Jul 2014 #16
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