History of Feminism

A-Schwarzenegger

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121. And I'm not completely convinced about the die part.

Thu Jul 24, 2014, 03:16 AM

Jul 2014

Yeah, I was kind of coming from the pov of that fellow who might say,

"Okay, I accept that it's not your responsibility to educate me, but why again exactly isn't it sort of your responsibility to educate me? I mean, I get that you don't have to, believe me, but why precisely don't you kind of have to in a way, because isn't it your job as a feminist, well not your job per se, but your duty or principle or something to educate me, or at least explain why you don't have to so I can still be on your side and fight along with you for rights and so forth? I mean, okay, I'm not making you educate me, of course not, and I don't expect you to, but who's going to educate me if you don't? And I don't really mean me when I say 'me,' I'm talking about the guys who don't get it, which I do, of course, because I'm about as feminist as a man can get and still be a man. So, if you could just take one sec and explain why you don't have to explain, just a quick twenty words or so, thirty, fifty, hundred, whatever you feel like, not that you have to, even if I don't see fully why you don't (which I'm okay with), not for me but for that poor guy over there, okay, right on."

I love that fellow, that earnest uneducable doofus (who still lurks in a cave in the back of my head and dares to emerge just when I'm sure I have snuffed him out finally at last).

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"Feminists are not responsible for educating men" [View all] redqueen Jul 2014 OP

Please send this to the admin. nt DURHAM D Jul 2014 #1

+1. that was my immediate thought. and all while i was reading thru. only to see... seabeyond Jul 2014 #2

! redqueen Jul 2014 #3

Heh! ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #11

please? Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #103

I've learned quite a lot from Feminists. I (don't believe) I was ever anti-woman or .... BlueJazz Jul 2014 #4

LOL... redqueen Jul 2014 #5

It also mercuryblues Jul 2014 #6

By telling women they have to educate men - it's just foisting off more work onto women. calimary Jul 2014 #13

Explaining mercuryblues Jul 2014 #24

your comment about the DOORS was gold. that says it all. the willful ignorance even when given a seabeyond Jul 2014 #127

i am going upstairs and talk to my teen boys. not about the condoms. their father is very seabeyond Jul 2014 #126

That's a VERY good point. How is the division of labor in most people's houses? calimary Jul 2014 #131

I can understand why someone might feel that way Android3.14 Jul 2014 #7

There are these things called books... uberblonde Jul 2014 #9

"Why should someone who is deeply informed about any issue try to formulate a capsule version..." Android3.14 Jul 2014 #29

Is it the responsibility of people of color to educate white people about racism? Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #28

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #125

a step further, i have an example personally with our gay community. but, when women of color do seabeyond Jul 2014 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #134

Excellent post, redqueen! CTyankee Jul 2014 #8

I'll educate my grand kids ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #10

Seems to me that there are a lot of eerie parallels in other realms of discussion. Jackpine Radical Jul 2014 #12

HHS author sounds like someone who sucks at persuasion so tries to blame others for her lack of Township75 Jul 2014 #14

The "job"? What job are you referring to? nt redqueen Jul 2014 #16

The job of being a woman, of course BainsBane Jul 2014 #65

Goddess, no shit, right? redqueen Jul 2014 #95

Ha. With both of you... Nt seabeyond Jul 2014 #100

Let me guess. You are not female. Squinch Jul 2014 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Jul 2014 #15

I understand what you are saying ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Jul 2014 #26

The fact that you are an "address the whole problem kind of guy" is not really germaine. The Squinch Jul 2014 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Jul 2014 #38

Political will and personal interaction, though related, are two different things. And as I have Squinch Jul 2014 #44

"The only effective way to make someone stop being entitled is to stop indulging the entitlement." redqueen Jul 2014 #46

Yeah, and the older and ornerier I get BainsBane Jul 2014 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Jul 2014 #47

What you don't seem to have picked up on redqueen Jul 2014 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Jul 2014 #25

I think you need to read the article again. Squinch Jul 2014 #35

Everyone must play a role. Fearless Jul 2014 #19

I am always telling my students that... prairierose Jul 2014 #20

Hmm. I hear what you are saying, I really do. PatrickforO Jul 2014 #21

Another facet of the gem that is sexual equality that should be considered. Half-Century Man Jul 2014 #22

Then you have to educate men as to why it's not your responsibility A-Schwarzenegger Jul 2014 #23

off topic/on a tangent but, I remember once a man (!) told me Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #120

And I'm not completely convinced about the die part. A-Schwarzenegger Jul 2014 #121

lol ... Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #123

Excellent observation. A-Schwarzenegger Jul 2014 #124

i love you. i have a lesson in reading your posts. i am really seabeyond Jul 2014 #129

Love & learning back atcha, sea. A-Schwarzenegger Jul 2014 #132

Can a man not be a Feminists awake Jul 2014 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Jul 2014 #39

I suppose, I think of them more as allies BainsBane Jul 2014 #42

There is a lot avaialble to read online and in publication BainsBane Jul 2014 #43

No one is asking to be spoon feed awake Jul 2014 #50

There is a basic fact BainsBane Jul 2014 #51

If anything I have post here gave you the idea that I believe awake Jul 2014 #53

feminism is a movement for women's rights BainsBane Jul 2014 #55

Odd how some people think that all women are feminists and no men are Android3.14 Jul 2014 #30

A man is not a feminist if he has to ask a feminist to explain feminism to him. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Jul 2014 #40

Somehow he just falls into feminism? Or born from the head of Athena unsullied by human society. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Jul 2014 #48

if a man calls himself a feminist i am not gonna argue. i have been burned too often by the "male seabeyond Jul 2014 #57

I am OK with a man asking me what feminism is. I am not OK with a man derailing Squinch Jul 2014 #45

Or make that conversation and every other about him BainsBane Jul 2014 #52

I have learned in this thread that we aren't doing everything at once, and therefore our actions are Squinch Jul 2014 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Jul 2014 #67

Civility, please. This is a sanctuary group for feminists and this post is a clear attack on hlthe2b Jul 2014 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Jul 2014 #85

. Squinch Jul 2014 #84

good analogy Kali Jul 2014 #92

But men don't seem to have any problems intaglio Jul 2014 #31

Nice lets now call "Men" names while we are at it awake Jul 2014 #32

i read three times. i cannot find one time "men" were called a name. seabeyond Jul 2014 #56

It was a sarcastic comment about the post above it awake Jul 2014 #58

"should be educated" ??? DURHAM D Jul 2014 #59

Oh is it better that men should NOT be educated awake Jul 2014 #60

Feminism has been a topic of discussion for parts of 6 decades. DURHAM D Jul 2014 #61

6 decades? try since the 1800s awake Jul 2014 #62

The six decades was a reference to what I assumed to be your DURHAM D Jul 2014 #63

FYI my 1st "teach in" on feminism happened at collage in 1970 awake Jul 2014 #68

The responses in this thread include very good examples of just what the article is talking about. Squinch Jul 2014 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Jul 2014 #49

WTF are you talkiing about? BainsBane Jul 2014 #64

Sing out Sister ! DURHAM D Jul 2014 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Jul 2014 #69

Are yous seriously claiming that I can't keep up BainsBane Jul 2014 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Jul 2014 #72

The reason I said "WTF are you talking about" BainsBane Jul 2014 #74

Somebody might give this character A-Schwarzenegger Jul 2014 #76

I hope so BainsBane Jul 2014 #77

Well... DURHAM D Jul 2014 #78

Looks like it went over better there BainsBane Jul 2014 #79

lol Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #93

What you owe is respect to this group. nt DURHAM D Jul 2014 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex Jul 2014 #73

You are a visitor BainsBane Jul 2014 #75

Veilex, as in my post to you upstream, I suspect you do not realize that this is a safe haven group hlthe2b Jul 2014 #83

"I suspect you do not realize that this is a safe haven group"- Admittedly I did not... Veilex Jul 2014 #86

That was not hate. That was annoyance. Squinch Jul 2014 #90

Call it what you will... Veilex Jul 2014 #97

It's as if we ordered this one up to illustrate what the OP is talking about. We must be magic! Squinch Jul 2014 #81

I agree knownow Jul 2014 #80

If That is Not the Role of Feminists, Then What Is? AndyTiedye Jul 2014 #88

Securing our rights BainsBane Jul 2014 #89

Still Need to Educate People AndyTiedye Jul 2014 #99

Where was it that you learned not to treat men like a second class? Did you learn that by requiring Squinch Jul 2014 #94

And PS: Think about doing that. Think about saying to a man, "I require that you explain to me Squinch Jul 2014 #96

speaking for myself ... I am also NOT responsible for educating women either. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #91

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #98

Whew!! Too much stupid is tough on the eyes. haha nt edgineered Jul 2014 #101

eh, from my pov qazplm Jul 2014 #102

And this is where you're wrong: Sheldon Cooper Jul 2014 #104

not remotely true qazplm Jul 2014 #105

Again, you completely disregard my LIVED experience, as a woman, to make whatever point Sheldon Cooper Jul 2014 #106

"when there is antagonism, there is no element of openness...." awake Jul 2014 #107

why wouldnt it be called out as "being played" since often and continuously it is true here on du? seabeyond Jul 2014 #108

Stating that maybe it is the roll for a feminist to educate a man awake Jul 2014 #109

look at ALL the time women have wasted in this thread trying to "educate" you on educating men on seabeyond Jul 2014 #113

I know you are a swimmer and probably took DURHAM D Jul 2014 #122

you are so right on. i read this morning and spent time visualizing. to the extent seabeyond Jul 2014 #130

And in a safe haven group, we should not have to constantly entertain demands that Sheldon Cooper Jul 2014 #110

I am not asking to be "educated" awake Jul 2014 #112

I don't believe I ever said that you, specifically, were. Sheldon Cooper Jul 2014 #114

Reread the OP to get a sense of where the frustration comes from and try, TRY, seabeyond Jul 2014 #115

Coming through loud and clear, innit? Sheldon Cooper Jul 2014 #116

I for the live of me can not figure out what I have said awake Jul 2014 #117

so... basically, reiterating. you will NOT consider what others are saying. the point is.... seabeyond Jul 2014 #118

To restate I am NOT MAKING DEMANDS awake Jul 2014 #119

"The idea that "real men" must prove themselves before that interaction" redqueen Jul 2014 #111

The only men who are going to care shaayecanaan Jul 2014 #133