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el_bryanto

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6. I think there is a connection to the fact that this is a critique of an entertainment media
Mon Jul 28, 2014, 07:44 AM
Jul 2014

Try posting about sexism in video games, for example, and you will see a similar response. TV and Comic Books don't cause quite as much of a furor, but you will still get fanboys popping out to defend the media. I've been thinking about this the last few days and can see two things going on, in addition to the standard sexual blinders that many have.

Firstly, most of these media do have a history of censorship, and fans of the media have seen worthwhile projects derailed by censors. Some people react initially to moral objections to media on the grounds that such objections can lead to banning and production codes which would obstruct good works as well as lousy ones. This is an understandable initial response; but it doesn't hold up for very long as almost everybody who has argued against 50 Shades (in this case) has made it clear that they aren't in favor of banning the film or the book. So if their objection is really that they don't want the film banned, once it's clear that nobody wants the film banned, they should just drop it, right? But they don't. Or the bulk of them don't (every once in a while you will see someone drop it once they realize people aren't talking about bans.

Secondly, I think that people feel uncomfortable about entertainment anyway; I think people are aware that time they spend reading 50 Shades of Grey or playing Mario or watching TV could be spent doing something better. I certainly am (but still play a lot of computer games and watch a fair amount of TV). So I think there's a guilt factor that's already present, and when you add onto that guilt factor the suggestion that what they are watching or enjoy is actually morally problematic, they react strongly. Of course this one throws sex into the mix and it's not like the United States has a history of good sexual maturity.

Thirdly, and just to underline - obviously many just have their own gender biases that they don't really see through or want challenged.

I don't know; it's not a very satisfactory situation.

Bryant

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Have an issue with rape? [View all] BainsBane Jul 2014 OP
I think there's a cutoff point... Scootaloo Jul 2014 #1
Ultimately it doesn't matter BainsBane Jul 2014 #2
The interesting thing to me is that if you look at most of those threads, Squinch Jul 2014 #3
Makes sense BainsBane Jul 2014 #4
I think that is where the hatred of sea comes from. She doesn't hold back her opinion, and Squinch Jul 2014 #5
very astute observation of what is happening on this board in regards to seabeyond. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #27
Thanks for the compliment! Squinch Jul 2014 #32
Sad thing is, I'll bet her teenaged sons are more mature and self-aware nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #40
No question about that. Squinch Jul 2014 #41
I think there is a connection to the fact that this is a critique of an entertainment media el_bryanto Jul 2014 #6
I don't agree with those who say that this is a frivolous discussion, even if the subject book is Squinch Jul 2014 #7
I think I've identified a major area of contention. Obviously I haven't read all the posts Flatulo Jul 2014 #23
Yeah ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #25
I would actually disagree with you. I don't see much criticising of BDSM. What I am seeing on that Squinch Jul 2014 #31
I've seen the claims of consent vigorously debated. Again, I haven't read the book, so I Flatulo Jul 2014 #35
I have no interest in sex that hurts or humiliates either, but I understand that there are many Squinch Jul 2014 #37
We have reached a point, at least on DU that is, where ... dawg Jul 2014 #8
Yep. The sacred right to fresher and nastier wank material supersedes all. Sheldon Cooper Jul 2014 #36
Every one of those threads gets derailed. ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #9
Trashing those threads is like playing whak-a-mole. MadrasT Jul 2014 #10
It is. ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #11
Sometimes I deliberately don't use keyword trash... MadrasT Jul 2014 #12
LOL ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #13
That book has now taking on Biblical proportions BainsBane Jul 2014 #15
+1, says Seabeyond BainsBane Jul 2014 #18
Well in that case ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #21
I have seen your point about Rush Limbaugh etc pointed out in some of these threads. No one Squinch Jul 2014 #33
No kidding. nt laundry_queen Jul 2014 #28
And those making the "you can't critique if you don't read it" comment haven't read it either. Squinch Jul 2014 #34
I was trying to stay out of them... Phentex Jul 2014 #14
Because of five hides? BainsBane Jul 2014 #16
PPRd Phentex Jul 2014 #20
What a lot of people don't seem to understand is that these are Libertarian arguments.... YoungDemCA Jul 2014 #17
Oh yes ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #19
Liberal and libertine are synonymous as far as they are concerned. BainsBane Jul 2014 #22
"reactionary right-wing bullshit masquerading as enlightened independent thinking" nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #38
Deriding the books as "shitty" is an excuse to not assign any importance to them. kickitup Jul 2014 #42
I was just told I want to censor a book Z_I_Peevey Jul 2014 #24
They can't deal with actual arguments BainsBane Jul 2014 #26
I see this "criticism = censorship" bullshit and I can't believe people are that simpleminded. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #39
That was some post, wasn't it. historylovr Jul 2014 #29
It took all the restraint I had BainsBane Jul 2014 #30
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