History of Feminism

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

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64. It wasn't simulated back then either.

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 06:42 PM

Aug 2014

But it was still porn. I don't think you can simply ignore some porn because it doesn't openly display rape or humiliation, and proclaim that 'porn' is all about rape and humiliation, because, apparently, there's now a large market for porn that does feature rape and humiliation.

That's 'No True Scotsman'. Heck, to get more topical, it's like proclaiming that there are no Palestinians, only 'Hamas', so that you can decry anyone who dares to object about the treatment of Palestinians as being a 'Hamas lover'.

Porn is everything pornish, from the most loving self-made tapes by married couples to the hateful stuff mentioned in various comments here. You don't think that everyone who 'defends' porn is actually 'defending' men spitting on women or raping them anally, do you? Cause if so, I gotta say, you're painting with a really overly broad brush.

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HOF Post: 'Getting Off: Pornography and the End of Masculinity' [View all] freshwest Aug 2014 OP

I will watch the video and thanks for posting it here or anywhere on DU. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #1

True, but they can be banned from HOF if they break the SOP of the group. I understand your feeling. freshwest Aug 2014 #2

Yes, It is usually a good idea to preface an OP with HoF warning. Although, even that cuts both ways Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #3

Interesting post . Thank you. nt littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #4

Hope this opinion isn't offensive to the group xfundy Aug 2014 #5

Please DUmail me if I'm wrong--I don't follow my posts. Thx. (!?!) Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #10

Not only that but I do find it offensive theHandpuppet Aug 2014 #13

How does one educate someone that does not sit still long enough to listen and is too Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #14

yes feminists mercuryblues Aug 2014 #15

Another waste of time. Enjoy yourselves until I delete the OP. freshwest Aug 2014 #6

Leave it up, if for no other reason than to be a burr in the side to some. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #12

I have no problem with sexually explicit material in general. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #7

This exactly ismnotwasm Aug 2014 #9

This is off topic, but yes not all filmed sex is porn. redqueen Aug 2014 #16

'to qualify every discussion criticizing porn with the mantra 'but some of it isn't so bad!' is the freshwest Aug 2014 #25

Yep. Anyone who steps out of line gets branded with the simpleminded labels. redqueen Aug 2014 #28

Anyone lurking DU and finding such will despise Democrats unless they are part of the problem. freshwest Aug 2014 #31

Yeah, true. But some of those disruptors sure do last a good long while. redqueen Aug 2014 #32

exactly. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #40

"In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends" redqueen Aug 2014 #41

yeah, I need to think about that ... Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #43

wow. Well said whomever wrote that. Kudos to them. Thanks. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #34

These are the kinds of comments that pulled me to radical feminism. redqueen Aug 2014 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #38

Sorry about the self delete, redqueen. Need some time to think and compose a carefully worded reply. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #39

I'm not sure the general public agrees with that definition. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #66

Which is why I like the term erotica ismnotwasm Aug 2014 #74

The interview with Jensen was really interesting theHandpuppet Aug 2014 #8

This statement = Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #11

Thanks for this thread. Here are some ex-porn star testimonies: redqueen Aug 2014 #17

Was that from what Chris Hedges wrote or the Hustling the Left book? freshwest Aug 2014 #18

It's excerpts from a bunch of interviews. Some of them are on YouTube. redqueen Aug 2014 #20

I am glad to hear that girls and young women are fed up! They will be living with this for years. freshwest Aug 2014 #21

These girls are getting it shoved in their face at school redqueen Aug 2014 #22

Where are the men now? Who among the DU men will read that in it's entirety and what will Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #35

Well, I'm a DU male, and it doesn't look like anyone else is answering you. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #48

And she's still cashing in on the industry, so... there's that. nt redqueen Aug 2014 #51

Residuals? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #53

No, she does mature porn. redqueen Aug 2014 #56

Oh, I thought she'd stopped after getting into sex ed stuff. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #58

I have heard of Nina Hartley. It is the go to reply for this type of question. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #59

Didn't know that. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #62

I have talked more porn these past few months than I have in my whole life Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #63

Looks like Roxy is the stage name of Shelly Lubben jakeXT Aug 2014 #76

Some quotes from pornographers (TRIGGER WARNING, NSFW): redqueen Aug 2014 #19

The 'Free Speech Coalition' group. Priceless. Women excluded from membership, obviously. freshwest Aug 2014 #23

Their executive director is a woman actually. The rest are all men of course. redqueen Aug 2014 #24

It's about the money. The 'women' I spoke of are the women in the films. No voice for them. freshwest Aug 2014 #26

Oh yeah, they just get ignored, unless their opinions align with the industry's. redqueen Aug 2014 #27

No surprise they have no answers to Hedges, Chomsky or Jensen: freshwest Aug 2014 #29

They don't address substance. They prefer ad hominems. redqueen Aug 2014 #30

... freshwest Aug 2014 #33

Diane Duke ... ? Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #42

Yep redqueen Aug 2014 #44

Google gives this = Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #45

I want a woman to come in here and tell me they are turned on by what they just read in that post. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #36

I have to take issue anatomy-wise with this quote ... Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #46

I often wonder if those who so enthusiastically defend other people's right to porn ever look at it. redqueen Aug 2014 #47

I don't read or watch 'the norm' then. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #49

Where do you go? redqueen Aug 2014 #50

Go? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #52

LOL, yeah. I meant what sites... redqueen Aug 2014 #54

Not interested in doing any sites to find the sort of stuff Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #55

I understand, believe me. redqueen Aug 2014 #57

I think industries need to defend themselves. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #60

This is what we are talking about --- Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #61

It wasn't simulated back then either. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #64

okay but, they are called actors for a reason. You understand where I learned all this Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #65

I'm going to take that as sarcasm. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #68

ah, ok. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #69

yes, and sorry about the self delete. I replied to myself and so I remedied it while you were Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #71

Dude, I am telling you this Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #70

Actually I read this the first time ;) Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #72

ha. but I had already self deleted before I realized you had replied and I was reposting when you Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #73

Interesting... chervilant Aug 2014 #75