History of Feminism

MadrasT

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24. Honestly...

Mon Aug 11, 2014, 05:02 PM

Aug 2014

Honestly if it is truly a FREE CHOICE with no coercion and is among one of many options that a person could choice to pursue in attempt to support self... well, I would worry about her safety but could not do anything other than support the choice.

There is nothing inherently wrong with sex. If you just look at it intellectually, I am not sure why it can't be commodified like any other service. (Why is it worse than being a professional massage therapist for example? I don't actually think it is.)

The problem is that in threads where people want to talk about the real harms and danger and horrors that go with the vast majority of prostitution which is a result of LESS THAN 100% FREE CHOICE, the conversation gets derailed by the SEXYTIME CHOICEY-CHOICE "OH MY GOD YOU'RE SUCH A PRUDE" brigade. When for most people who are turning tricks for $$, it is anything but a free choice.

Because it's the internet.

And people like to fucking argue and beat deceased equines until the cows come home.

And SOME men think they have a God-given right to have access to women's bodies, whatever it takes, no matter who gets hurt.

How do you let the few privileged people for whom it is truly a "free choice" do that, and still protect the rest of the people who are forced or are desperate from being abused and treated like shit?

I don't know the answer to that, and it's above my pay grade, so I stay the hell out of those "discussions".

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who raises their daughter to be a prostitute? [View all] CTyankee Aug 2014 OP

I am guessing no one is going to step up here to defend their daughter's "right" to become Squinch Aug 2014 #1

which is why I posted it here. In GD it would drive somebody over the edge... CTyankee Aug 2014 #3

No shit BainsBane Aug 2014 #6

then they need to come face to face with this question and stop demonizing and slandering CTyankee Aug 2014 #11

Not a chance BainsBane Aug 2014 #12

well, segregationists tried that, too, but it was overcome. CTyankee Aug 2014 #14

I dont want my daughter to work in porn Travis_0004 Aug 2014 #2

Can we talk about this thread and the question it poses? CTyankee Aug 2014 #4

where did the op mention the word BAN? Skittles Aug 2014 #5

Please link to a post where anyone said anything about banning anything. Squinch Aug 2014 #66

You have to take the world as it is, and not as you wish it was el_bryanto Aug 2014 #7

and so, what is your response? Do you align yourself with reform of a system that in your CTyankee Aug 2014 #9

I think you focus on other issues el_bryanto Aug 2014 #20

I'm all for that but let's go further and say we should also focus and frame all of this in CTyankee Aug 2014 #21

What would you enshrine as the jewel in the crown? nt el_bryanto Aug 2014 #26

Feminism. If people understood it for what it REALLY stands for they would be all for it. CTyankee Aug 2014 #35

I think when those who defend prostitution think about it, the women are the "other"... hlthe2b Aug 2014 #8

they have to be reminded then. CTyankee Aug 2014 #10

+1 Little Star Aug 2014 #16

Exactly. Little Star Aug 2014 #15

I think they also have a fantasy that prostitution is all high class call girls Kali Aug 2014 #53

oh, god, that's funny...and so true! (I won't elaborate). CTyankee Aug 2014 #58

I think that also happens in discussions about porn. F4lconF16 Aug 2014 #59

Or their wife? theHandpuppet Aug 2014 #13

Especially if she says "Honey, it's what I want to do. Besides, I can make a lot of money!" CTyankee Aug 2014 #17

So women should make major life decisions based on what other people want? phil89 Aug 2014 #18

OK, so answer the question. CTyankee Aug 2014 #19

It doesn't MATTER what I would want for her. I just don't think that way. phil89 Aug 2014 #33

since it doesn't matter what you want for her, is that how you are raising her? Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #34

The answer is "only someone in extraordinary financial hardship", of course. Half-Century Man Aug 2014 #22

This isn't a question of loving them regardless. It is a question of focus. CTyankee Aug 2014 #23

I guess I misunderstood the OP. Half-Century Man Aug 2014 #30

You seem to imply that economic coercion denies one a complete freedom of choice, yes? LanternWaste Aug 2014 #29

It can and has. Half-Century Man Aug 2014 #31

Yes BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #51

and...what...? CTyankee Aug 2014 #57

When all those in favor of prostitution argue it's "two consenting adults" BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #60

Yes, I understand the issue, but what would do in response to this urgent call to CTyankee Aug 2014 #62

I think you think I am disagreeing with you BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #63

glad to have you on our side! CTyankee Aug 2014 #65

My username is literary BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #67

Honestly... MadrasT Aug 2014 #24

In answer to your last question, we should know the answer: make feminism the driving CTyankee Aug 2014 #25

I'm guessing the answer to that would be Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #27

Of course. All the more reason to reform the system along feminist lines. right? CTyankee Aug 2014 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author CBGLuthier Aug 2014 #28

so that means me? please advise... CTyankee Aug 2014 #37

... lol ... Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #39

Uh, I still await an answer...I am a bit in shock...I can't believe he is truly threatening me. CTyankee Aug 2014 #40

I could be wrong but, from what I have seen him post I think he is speaking more to the ones Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #41

He really wants to "punch the shit out of" me? Really? CTyankee Aug 2014 #43

you are in HoF ... not sure he realizes that. again I think he speaks to the element in GD ... Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author CTyankee Aug 2014 #45

you replied to yourself here. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #47

I re-posted. sorry. CTyankee Aug 2014 #50

is Okay. I needed this bit of diversion. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #52

Naw, don't worry. I don't take these hiccups in posting too seriously... CTyankee Aug 2014 #54

OK. I understand now that you are with us one hundred percent and I appreciate that... sorry I was CTyankee Aug 2014 #49

I don't think so, but safeinOhio Aug 2014 #32

If you think of yourself as a progressive, wouldn't you sign up to be a crusader for CTyankee Aug 2014 #36

and Who does it with their Son ? JI7 Aug 2014 #42

yep. and we have a winner here, folks. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #48

Here's what I'll say on this subject. Oakenshield Aug 2014 #44

Probably virtually none bluestateguy Aug 2014 #55

Because I don't think a callgirl is in that category you just listed. CTyankee Aug 2014 #56

If you drive a profession underground, you get criminality and more disreputable people bluestateguy Aug 2014 #61

Yes and we are rightly talking about economic injustice here. CTyankee Aug 2014 #64

Why is that false analogy even brought up? ismnotwasm Aug 2014 #68

Junkies for one. ismnotwasm Aug 2014 #69

Lol. Nice strawman/pseudo situation you've framed up there. alp227 Aug 2014 #70

well, I was responding, in anger I admit, to the idea that the choice of going into CTyankee Aug 2014 #71