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jeff47

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27. But doing nothing causes more harm.

Wed Feb 11, 2015, 05:42 PM

Feb 2015

My risk assessment is we cause more harm by keeping it generally illegal. That could easily be wrong.

Johns should have mandatory testing as well. Married Johns should sign a financial agreement taking responsibility for subsequent lawsuits. I can think of a dozen other details.

The difficulty is in constructing the framework where that is done. Regulation on the brothel side is pretty easy, since we already regulate pretty much every business. Regulation on the customer side requires creating a new framework. That's a lot harder. We still can't even do Driver's Licenses well.

That difficulty doesn't mean it should not be done. Just have to weigh the harm in going with legalization without it, versus having it, versus not changing anything.

Not changing anything seems to me the most harmful, with legalization + John licensing being too hard to get done in one effort, leaving the status quo in place.

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Sweden's Prostitution Solution: Why Hasn't Anyone Tried This Before? [View all] ismnotwasm Feb 2015 OP

simple, reasonable and yet, oh.so.radical. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #1

+1 brer cat Feb 2015 #6

KnR--to the greatest page. nt tblue37 Feb 2015 #2

See? DeSwiss Feb 2015 #3

K & R SunSeeker Feb 2015 #4

Won't happen here so long as men control the law-making process. Scuba Feb 2015 #5

Because it's a half-solution that exports the problems. jeff47 Feb 2015 #7

Why shouldn't the Johns get psychological care? ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #11

Because we aren't looking for signs they are being manipulated. jeff47 Feb 2015 #12

... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #13

And how was that stopped by prostitution being illegal? jeff47 Feb 2015 #15

sounds like rationalization to me. you need to justify it, in your own mind. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #17

The goal is to stop people from being hurt. jeff47 Feb 2015 #23

What about looking for signs of potential for violence? ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #19

I'd argue we should be doing that to the entire population, not just Johns. jeff47 Feb 2015 #21

Possibly ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #24

Excellent post. Another fine quality post from ism. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #25

This is an article that cites a 2012 study ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #29

But doing nothing causes more harm. jeff47 Feb 2015 #27

Thus this discussion ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #28

your risk assessment is not correct and the countries that have legalized for over a decade is proof seabeyond Feb 2015 #33

you ignore the immediate and predictable consequence of legalization--increasing demand. geek tragedy Feb 2015 #35

You're defining trafficking as any movement. jeff47 Feb 2015 #37

increasing demand will increase the amount of stuff that gets done underground geek tragedy Feb 2015 #39

Except the demand is for the legal options jeff47 Feb 2015 #41

If the illegal option offers fewer rules and costs geek tragedy Feb 2015 #42

Which is why above I proposed regulations on the brothel. jeff47 Feb 2015 #45

Sexual harassment law is not based on the notion that it's not okay to ask people geek tragedy Feb 2015 #49

they are putting their trafficked girls in strip clubs. pretty well set place. seabeyond Feb 2015 #51

I like his use of the phrase "definitional problem" Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #14

Feel free to explain the UK failing to find thousands of victims. jeff47 Feb 2015 #16

you want me to explain why men pay for sex? lol Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #18

No, I want you to explain how the enormous number of trafficked women jeff47 Feb 2015 #22

I hope ism addresses this for you. At work now Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #26

Are you saying they don't exist? ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #30

I'm saying that there were claims of a very large number in the UK jeff47 Feb 2015 #31

Then you don't understand the nature of prostitution ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #40

Nope, I'm doubting studies jeff47 Feb 2015 #43

Regulate what? ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #44

It's in post 7. jeff47 Feb 2015 #46

Oh. That one ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #47

Yep, you did a great job walking right back to the same place jeff47 Feb 2015 #48

I didn't agree with your original points. ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #50

show us this study. i cannot trust your interpretation of what you read. nt seabeyond Feb 2015 #34

It's not a study. It's actually looking for them. jeff47 Feb 2015 #36

ha ha ha ha seabeyond Feb 2015 #38

Yup. ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #20

it is not easier finding the taffickers if either side is illegal. legalizing makes it hardest for seabeyond Feb 2015 #32

so obvious, yes? I remember a sting in CA years ago. the police were rounding up the niyad Feb 2015 #8

Yeah that approach seems to die a quiet death ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #9

That evens out the power AwakeAtLast Feb 2015 #10