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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
17. Thank you.
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 08:09 AM
Aug 2013

I've had a number of discussions with you, and I will agree that you have done a good job of presenting your opinions as a gun rights advocate while being polite.

I also agree that the issue does have a tendency to lead to flame wars and insults.

To me, the most fundamental question is whether or not the high homicide rate in the US compared with other similar nations has to do with the wide availability of guns. You probably disagree, but based on my reading of the evidence, the answer is a clear yes.

That strikes me as the fundamental disconnect. If you believe that, then there are 30,000 lives per year being lost needlessly, and it becomes hard to justify letting all those people die because some people want access to the most modern high-powered, easily concealable weaponry without so much as a registration or even a background check.

On the other hand, if you don't believe that gun availability and homicide rates are linked -- for example, if you think that there would be just as many homicides (and suicides), and that without guns people would just substitute other means, then gun control becomes to be a pointless government intrusion on the freedom of law-abiding people to defend themselves and to enjoy an activity with deep cultural roots.

What I think happens is that, rather than discussing the key question, which is how much of role in violence, homicide, and suicide does gun availability play, most people who engage in gun control debates have already made up their mind about that.

No question. Robb Aug 2013 #1
While it is inappropriate to label black youths as thugs, .... spin Aug 2013 #2
Wow. That's remarkable. Robb Aug 2013 #3
the NRA is good what they do, very good Skittles Aug 2013 #5
What you fail to understand is that I also support improvements to our current gun laws. ... spin Aug 2013 #7
Do "my black friend doesn't think I'm racist" again. Robb Aug 2013 #12
Obviously you must feel that I am racist because I am a gun rights advocate. ... spin Aug 2013 #14
I feel you are racist because you are saying racist things. Robb Aug 2013 #16
In order for any of your means shedevil69taz Aug 2013 #19
Another Gungeoneer billh58 Aug 2013 #21
Typical Gungeon spin billh58 Aug 2013 #18
LIBERAL MEDIA??? Skittles Aug 2013 #4
"Liberal media"? What liberal media? Scuba Aug 2013 #6
The liberal media exists but they just may not reach your standard for being liberal. spin Aug 2013 #9
Nice try, but still a fail. Scuba Aug 2013 #10
I can understand your viewpoint as I feel you are very liberal. ... spin Aug 2013 #13
Yep, I'm a far-left liberal, supporting such radical ideas as ... Scuba Aug 2013 #15
Quick question. Do you think this post is offensive at all? DanTex Aug 2013 #8
The voices we often hear in the gun control debate are those from the extreme sides of the ... spin Aug 2013 #11
Thank you. DanTex Aug 2013 #17
Suicide Sanddog42 Sep 2013 #22
Very clever billh58 Sep 2013 #23
On the contrary Sanddog42 Sep 2013 #24
Tell us how you really feel about Democrats and Gun Control. ellisonz Aug 2013 #20
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