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Sancho

(9,103 posts)
80. Here we go again....so here's my generic response:
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 09:52 PM
Aug 2014

People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.).
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, rent scuba equipment, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

I am sorry. Really sorry. (((Hugs))) idwiyo Mar 2013 #1
Needless to say, your dad shouldn't have had any firearms whatsoever. NYC_SKP Mar 2013 #2
mom has Alzheimer's & used to threaten, we hid all knives wordpix Mar 2013 #36
I'm so sorry BainsBane Mar 2013 #3
VERY sorry. elleng Mar 2013 #4
How uniquely American. Mika Mar 2013 #5
I will have to remembeer to bring restraints for showing him the latest Jim Carrey installment nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #6
Oh dear! Oh, oh, oh . . . . (shakes head) I don't know what to say . . . . patrice Mar 2013 #7
Will do. Bringing separate residence for me (travel trailer) or my own sanity would end. nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #9
Get rid of the car entirely. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #28
Oh, yes a trade in will be tended to near immediately, and keys of whatever only under my control: nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #50
I agree with those who suggest you contact the Altzheimer's Assn. MADem Mar 2013 #51
Yes, my uncle has suggested that as well, thanx for link nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #53
Contact your local Alzheimer's association- Ms. Toad Mar 2013 #35
Thank you for the resource lead, Toad. nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #49
Your comment about local authorities reminded me of another thing Ms. Toad Mar 2013 #70
I am so very sorry--been there, and it is not a good situation. personally, I think your non- niyad Mar 2013 #8
I'm sorry to hear that as someone with a grumpy fortunately unarmed 93-year-old grandfather. ellisonz Mar 2013 #10
My hair stylist, who just turned sixty, announced to me today when I went Cleita Mar 2013 #11
It's what I'm coining "Hestonesque syndrome", how about that? NRA sucks. nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #56
welcome to my world. Bennyboy Mar 2013 #12
I'm just glad dad is at a city residence now. IF nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #55
My 96-year-old father (dementia) literally ran a care-giver out of the house wagging an air rifle indepat Mar 2013 #13
At the risk of seeming just a tad SheilaT Mar 2013 #14
Took them all away from my dad, very early onset. Only in his 60's. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #30
It's not all that simple Mopar151 Mar 2013 #32
Well then, isn't it obvious that SheilaT Mar 2013 #48
Actually, syntax error on my part now corrected in OP. See response # 52. nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #58
This is not helpful nor are you fully cognizant of the situation here. You are snap judging. nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #60
Snap judgment? SheilaT Mar 2013 #73
Word. mahina Mar 2013 #78
I hope you are better to the people around you in real life. mahina Mar 2013 #77
Oh, correction as follows. There was a previous non-gun "incident", and brother removed nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #52
Actually, syntax error on my part to be corrected. See response # 52. nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #57
Yes, first official diagnosis and recognition of a defined problem here Sheila. See response #52. nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #59
The problem of firearms in the house with Alzheimer's/dementia sufferers enough Mar 2013 #15
How true! rdharma Mar 2013 #18
Yes, with Alz/dementia there is no way to exaggerate! Nothing can be enough Mar 2013 #22
"until it gets so bad that there's no mind left" rdharma Mar 2013 #23
that's where my mom is, still going with no mind wordpix Mar 2013 #37
It's so sad. rdharma Mar 2013 #40
I beleive it. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #33
I think this is the big problem. One can leave all kinds of directives enough Mar 2013 #42
Especially with human perception problems like normalcy bias. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #45
Onset was recognized but gradual, and only by family. Alheimer's Dx since tuesday now, officially. nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #62
I've been prepared for this eventuality for some time, actually. Thank you for link. nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #54
He and your whole family are lucky to have you to step in with enough Mar 2013 #76
Sorry to hear that you are giving up your job to do this - but it's the right thing to do. freshwest Mar 2013 #16
That's what I thought. Till I did it. xfundy Mar 2013 #17
Since you don't come back, I won't respond to you. My comment was to the OP. freshwest Mar 2013 #19
xfundy, true post! rdharma Mar 2013 #20
If your father has Alzheimer's a travel trailer won't help you. peace13 Mar 2013 #21
Every case is different. Some do, some don't. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #34
Just answered email to brother with suggestion of GPS. matter under consideration. But: nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #61
Sorry. Had to take guns away from my FIL some time ago. Hoyt Mar 2013 #24
This is the stuff nightmares are made of, truly Iwillnevergiveup Mar 2013 #25
Lewis Black says... ReRe Mar 2013 #26
I am 1290 miles away. Brothers have responded, more relatives enroute for temporary care. nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #66
OK... ReRe Mar 2013 #69
I am sorry, nightscanner, and I feel your pain. sheshe2 Mar 2013 #27
Hang tough. You are a solid dude for doing this. zonkers Mar 2013 #29
+1! patrice Mar 2013 #31
You have another option... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #38
Considered, rejected. nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #63
Do him a favor and turn off FOX "News". Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #72
First nap of the day, channel gets switched, and he fails to even notice, per brother. nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #75
Gawd nightscanner59, I'm really sorry. loudsue Mar 2013 #39
Thanx, Sue, part of my unique ability to deal with dad neccessitates this. nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #74
Yikes! rightsideout Mar 2013 #41
Dear rightsideout, your father sounds a lot like mine. For many years enough Mar 2013 #43
Different problem, but similar exchanges with my dad just over a year ago. nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #64
I hope maybe some intervention organization can help. Anyone have suggestions for rightsideout? nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #65
I think if you have to move in with him to care for him, you should get to choose the news channel. snot Mar 2013 #44
First nap of the day, channel gets switched, and he fails to even notice, per brother. nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #67
Before quitting your job & relocating, look into this: pacalo Mar 2013 #46
Thank you Pacalo nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #68
My mother had dementia related more to sensory deprivation Warpy Mar 2013 #47
Yes, caregiver will be compensated. Kudos to Jim Carrey's timing of his wonderful and timely song. nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #71
Ban Metal Bullets And Only Allow Rubber Bullets FJones3777 Aug 2014 #79
Here we go again....so here's my generic response: Sancho Aug 2014 #80
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