Gun Control Reform Activism

Crepuscular

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49. Strawman?

Wed Mar 20, 2013, 03:31 PM

Mar 2013

No strawman, just the opinion that any government regulation based on health concerns should be supported with scientific data. How is that a strawman?

"fess up"?

I highly doubt that I would be involved in any legal action against regulations that I don't support, related to this issue, should that be the case and I don't know it to be. I already said, if there is demonstrable evidence of lead contamination causing a health risk, related to shooting, that I'd probably be supportive of regulating it.

Now, since you have been doing all of the questioning, let me ask you one. If research indicated that lead related to shooting and hunting did not pose any kind of a serious health risk or have a significant environmental impact, would you support the continued use of firearms in those activities?

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Don't forget to talk about the harm of shooting to health and the environment [View all] CreekDog Mar 2013 OP

That's why there are shooting ranges. Remmah2 Mar 2013 #1

At shooting ranges, why can't people just get bullets there and not need to bring them in? graham4anything Mar 2013 #2

I custom reload my own ammunition. Remmah2 Mar 2013 #3

But you would not need them.And for sport, people used to have gladiator fights in arenas graham4anything Mar 2013 #4

Because selfish people want their stuff. mwrguy Mar 2013 #6

you were banned CreekDog Mar 2015 #78

Lack of facilities in most cases. ManiacJoe Mar 2013 #9

seems like a business opportunity. Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #66

Because a lot of shooting ranges are not set up for that. Travis_0004 Mar 2013 #13

Easy enough. Have the Mayors against Bullets in the streets buy all the gun stores graham4anything Mar 2013 #14

that you're saying it can be done cleanly doesn't mean that it is done cleanly CreekDog Mar 2013 #7

you're posting this here to continue your aggressive assault on proposed gun control measures? CreekDog Mar 2013 #8

Actually I was presenting my personal experience which was counter to the broad brushOP assumptions. Remmah2 Mar 2013 #11

you were trying to argue that shooting is not harmful to the environment nor people CreekDog Mar 2013 #12

Property damage, poaching, murdered pets Kolesar Mar 2013 #5

Accuracy Crepuscular Mar 2013 #10

It is accurate, lead in the environment from guns has effected waterfowl in many places CreekDog Mar 2013 #15

Just pointing out that accuracy is important if you want to convince anyone Crepuscular Mar 2013 #16

what you've written, now twice, is sophisticated propaganda CreekDog Mar 2013 #17

On the contrary Crepuscular Mar 2013 #18

on the contrary, you lied about lead shot being banned CreekDog Mar 2013 #19

Lied? Crepuscular Mar 2013 #22

Here's your post associating an AWB and supporters with wanting to get rid of all guns, everywhere CreekDog Mar 2013 #20

That post does nothing of the kind Crepuscular Mar 2013 #27

The ban on lead ammo in condor areas hasn't worked as well as hoped ellisonz Mar 2013 #21

Why would you presume that? Crepuscular Mar 2013 #23

Good ellisonz Mar 2013 #24

no, he thinks we are "gun grabbers" who want to ban all firearms from private ownership CreekDog Mar 2013 #26

Um, no Crepuscular Mar 2013 #30

you were the one who brought up the people who want to ban all private firearm ownership CreekDog Mar 2013 #32

It depends Crepuscular Mar 2013 #28

Not so much ellisonz Mar 2013 #29

In generalized terms? Crepuscular Mar 2013 #31

Some? ellisonz Mar 2013 #34

Not trying to debate the need for gun control Crepuscular Mar 2013 #37

This is very much the forum for such discussions. ellisonz Mar 2013 #38

Really? Crepuscular Mar 2013 #39

Also from the SOP: ellisonz Mar 2013 #40

this kind of crap is how the Gun and RKBA group works CreekDog Mar 2013 #33

I proudly no longer have the Gungeon as my favorite group ellisonz Mar 2013 #35

only for threatened species? CreekDog Mar 2013 #25

Again Crepuscular Mar 2013 #36

then you support restrictions on lead into the environment from firearms CreekDog Mar 2013 #41

Is this a test? Crepuscular Mar 2013 #42

you realize there is lead criteria already in environmental water quality standards CreekDog Mar 2013 #43

There are also standards established for particulate lead in air quality Crepuscular Mar 2013 #44

do you plan to fight legally for more and more peer review, more studies CreekDog Mar 2013 #45

As with any government regulation. Crepuscular Mar 2013 #46

i asked you a question and you responded with some nonsense strawman about something else CreekDog Mar 2013 #47

Strawman? Crepuscular Mar 2013 #49

you ruined this thread and turned it into your own concern CreekDog Mar 2013 #48

Hey, I just answered the questions asked of me. Crepuscular Mar 2013 #51

you came here to oppose period CreekDog Mar 2013 #52

I came here Crepuscular Mar 2013 #53

you use the term "gun grabber"? CreekDog Mar 2013 #54

Context, my friend. Crepuscular Mar 2013 #56

Climate change denial propaganda, applied to denying lead pollution from guns CreekDog Mar 2013 #57

Wow! Crepuscular Mar 2013 #58

it is not my job to prove to you what is widely studied and understood CreekDog Mar 2013 #59

Actually, Crepuscular Mar 2013 #60

no it's not my job to do a literature review for you CreekDog Mar 2013 #61

Yes, it is your job to provide evidence to support your claims Crepuscular Mar 2013 #62

oh lead pollution is equivalent of an "Elvis sighting"? CreekDog Mar 2013 #63

Lead pollution from a variety of sources is documented Crepuscular Mar 2013 #64

i realize that you became interested in the gun issue at DU only after Newtown CreekDog Mar 2013 #65

Apparently you are done with the lead pollution issue Crepuscular Mar 2013 #67

i guess photography gets boring after a while CreekDog Mar 2013 #68

Guess you are not a photographer then... Crepuscular Mar 2013 #69

well you have a point, i mean, it seems to have been more interesting than the 2012 election CreekDog Mar 2013 #70

Why would you presume that it's not interesting at all now? Crepuscular Mar 2013 #71

Oy Vey (Blocked) ! ellisonz Mar 2013 #72

LOL! CreekDog Mar 2013 #75

because during the most fascinating time at DU, the Obama-Romney election... CreekDog Mar 2013 #73

I saw what you did there. BainsBane Mar 2013 #76

In other words: "I'm a big gun control advocate! Really! I really am!" DanTex Mar 2013 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author Kali Mar 2013 #55

SWANS DYING OF LEAD POISONING IN WASHINGTON STATE AND BRITISH COLUMBIA, CANADA freshwest Mar 2013 #74

kick, nt Electric Monk Mar 2015 #77

That's one method and very effective unless one is diligent at staying on topic. nt flamin lib Mar 2015 #79