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delrem

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18. Don't human rights have to be recognized and asserted to exist?

Reply to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 10:42 PM

Sep 2013

Consider an important example: the right for an individual to be treated equally under the rule of law. That seems to imply that the state has an obligation to enforce the law on all citizens equally, regardless of wealth, station, ....., and vice-versa.

But that defines a certain ideal community structure and organization, something to be striven for, so in that sense human rights are product of reason and not "natural", e.g. like an apple is a natural thing.

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Do rights exist? [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 OP

Rights, organizations (including governments), human laws, ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #1

Can I infer... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #3

Yes for laws and fairness, but no for love and anger. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #5

I'm unable to understand what system you have... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #6

Ha! ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #13

So then... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #14

I don't think so. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #15

I don't think so. delrem Nov 2013 #22

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Your subject line isn't true. bye. delrem Nov 2014 #31

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Rights are attributes of people. rrneck Aug 2013 #2

I'm having a bit of confusion... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #4

I would rephrase if I could think of a better way to say it. rrneck Aug 2013 #7

I guess I'm having some trouble with this: discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #10

Natural and legal rights rrneck Aug 2013 #11

I'm good with that. discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #12

I'd say it depends very much on which school of ethics you subscribe to. Fortinbras Armstrong Aug 2013 #8

I'd suggest that... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #9

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"Whether you know it or not, among the French and Germans, right means law." Fortinbras Armstrong Nov 2014 #33

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I used an idiom that I'm sure you've heard at least a thousand times Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2014 #44

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Being polite is not cant, nor is it being dishonest. Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2014 #46

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I believe that the obligation... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #17

Don't human rights have to be recognized and asserted to exist? delrem Sep 2013 #18

re: "...the right for an individual to be treated equally under the rule of law." discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2013 #19

Correct. It's an *obligation* of gov't. delrem Nov 2013 #20

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I really appreciate DU. n/t delrem Nov 2013 #23

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Do rights exist? CloptonHavers Feb 2014 #24

After some reading... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2014 #25

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Rights are Subordinated to... PavelKO Oct 2016 #50

As is generally said, 'The winners get to write history.' discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #51

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