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delrem

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22. Do you equate "objectively real" with "physically real"?
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:16 PM
Nov 2014

At one time the English (for one) planted flags all over the damn place, confiscating land for the purposes of colonization. The flags were "real". The English language was "real". The military force that backed the colonization projects was "real". The colonizers were "real". The land being colonized was "real". The natives being displaced were "real". The laws being laid down in the colonized lands were "real". Not all being the same kind of thing, to be sure, but all "real". So, which is "objectively real" vs "physically real"? Which is "mere imagination" and which is "scientifically verified reality"?

Science itself is a mere process. It's a set of rules guiding procedure. Is science "real"?

The whole universe is a being in process. It is not static. Nothing stays the same and even our decisions regarding what are and aren't significant things is subject to change as we, being part of the ever changing universe, change our focus. What seems to be a mountain from one perspective is a hill from another, and from yet another is part of a smooth gradient.

If the argument were whether e.g. economics could ever be a science, according as definitions accepted by most physicists, that'd be one thing. I'd agree with those who say no, the object of study in economics is not the same as the object of study in physics, and it's a mistake to apply the same terminology and guidelines across the board. But I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the object of study in economics as not being "real", or "objectively real".

Is it possible to exist outside ideology? [View all] Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 OP
I think ZombieHorde Jun 2014 #1
Chán Buddhism as developed by the Chinese is a practice delrem Jul 2014 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #3
There is no living outside Ideology. Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #4
how do you know that? noiretextatique Oct 2014 #5
Personal experience and scientific logic...a potent combination. Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #6
How do you define the word "ideology." ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #7
Definition. Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #8
That definition is based on imaginary things. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #9
...and yet youre on the "Democratic" Underground site....;) Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #10
Anything that exists only within the imagination is strictly imaginary. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #11
Government actions are much more real than Snape's Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #12
You seem to be conflating three different things. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #15
I didn't conflate anything. Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #16
I agree human behavior relates to objects, ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #17
Yes, the Nazis were real. Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #18
Why aren't you answering my questions? ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #19
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #20
Do you equate "objectively real" with "physically real"? delrem Nov 2014 #22
Lots of things going on in this post. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #24
This is difficult to take seriously. delrem Nov 2014 #25
Apprehension is one aspect of the imagination. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #26
No. delrem Nov 2014 #27
I did not say they were the same. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #28
symbols are concrete. nt delrem Nov 2014 #29
Where do laws exist? nt ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #30
You mean like the laws of motion, of gravity, or like the laws of England? delrem Nov 2014 #31
I am talking about the laws of governments. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #32
Thank you. delrem Nov 2014 #33
Althusser's is in fact a reduction, not more complex. FigTree Jul 2017 #36
everyone's personal experience is different noiretextatique Oct 2014 #13
Yes it is. Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #14
Why do you think a ch'an Buddhist should submit to your criterion of "scientific proof"? nt delrem Nov 2014 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Sweeney Dec 2014 #35
I thought Pike Bishop was trolling me, ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Sweeney Dec 2014 #34
Live or Exist davidclay123 Aug 2017 #37
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I Don't think so imsarvan May 2018 #39
Mind vs brain lounge_jam Oct 2018 #40
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