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ZombieHorde

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24. Lots of things going on in this post.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:10 AM
Nov 2014
Do you equate "objectively real" with "physically real"?


Sure. Matter without interpretation, which is tough, since we need interpretation to talk about it.

The flags were "real".


The atoms are real, the meaning is imaginary.

The English language was "real".


No. There were humans, but calling them "English" is an opinion or belief.

The military force that backed the colonization projects was "real". The colonizers were "real". ...The natives being displaced were "real".


There was violence.

The land being colonized was "real".


People were walking on atoms that were grouped in a way that we call dirt, grass, rocks, etc.

The laws being laid down in the colonized lands were "real".


No, the laws were strictly imaginary. But people were probably inspired to act based upon these imaginings.

Which is "mere imagination" and which is "scientifically verified reality"?


There were humans who moved around and acted violently toward other humans. The rest is imaginary.

Science itself is a mere process. It's a set of rules guiding procedure. Is science "real"?


Science is a label we give to a type of behavior, just like eating, running, violence, painting, etc.

The test to determine if something is strictly imaginary is try to determine if that something exists outside of the imagination. If it doesn't, then it is strictly imaginary. Some things we cannot know for certain, like Zeus or unicorns, but some things we know we invented, like values and laws.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.
Is it possible to exist outside ideology? [View all] Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 OP
I think ZombieHorde Jun 2014 #1
Chán Buddhism as developed by the Chinese is a practice delrem Jul 2014 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #3
There is no living outside Ideology. Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #4
how do you know that? noiretextatique Oct 2014 #5
Personal experience and scientific logic...a potent combination. Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #6
How do you define the word "ideology." ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #7
Definition. Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #8
That definition is based on imaginary things. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #9
...and yet youre on the "Democratic" Underground site....;) Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #10
Anything that exists only within the imagination is strictly imaginary. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #11
Government actions are much more real than Snape's Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #12
You seem to be conflating three different things. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #15
I didn't conflate anything. Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #16
I agree human behavior relates to objects, ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #17
Yes, the Nazis were real. Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #18
Why aren't you answering my questions? ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #19
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #20
Do you equate "objectively real" with "physically real"? delrem Nov 2014 #22
Lots of things going on in this post. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #24
This is difficult to take seriously. delrem Nov 2014 #25
Apprehension is one aspect of the imagination. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #26
No. delrem Nov 2014 #27
I did not say they were the same. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #28
symbols are concrete. nt delrem Nov 2014 #29
Where do laws exist? nt ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #30
You mean like the laws of motion, of gravity, or like the laws of England? delrem Nov 2014 #31
I am talking about the laws of governments. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #32
Thank you. delrem Nov 2014 #33
Althusser's is in fact a reduction, not more complex. FigTree Jul 2017 #36
everyone's personal experience is different noiretextatique Oct 2014 #13
Yes it is. Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #14
Why do you think a ch'an Buddhist should submit to your criterion of "scientific proof"? nt delrem Nov 2014 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Sweeney Dec 2014 #35
I thought Pike Bishop was trolling me, ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Sweeney Dec 2014 #34
Live or Exist davidclay123 Aug 2017 #37
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I Don't think so imsarvan May 2018 #39
Mind vs brain lounge_jam Oct 2018 #40
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